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Heck - why not just rob a bookstore and steal all of them if we're going to go about and make false equivalences! :D

Yep - found it!

Yeah, agreed. I'm still curious about are the terms for cancellation of the license, and what happens if either WotC or Curse decides to terminate the contract. What would be the exit plan for consumers? Obviously this is not an immediate concern, but it's something to keep in mind before going...

One has a monthly cost that's all-inclusive for content, updated for free, that can be used by a group, and included magazine subscriptions with some pretty incredible content. One has a monthly cost for a group, plus a steep startup cost, plus costs for any additional content that's released...

Also didn't WotC put out an ad a few years ago comparing D&D and MMOs?

Well, it's still $70/year. ;) Go ahead and adjust for inflation if you feel the need! The complete offerings: * Character Builder, continually updated with content from books, Dragon, Dungeon, and any errata. Offline, then online. * Monster Builder/Adventure Tools, continually updated with...

It was $70/year - not going to check the conversion rates. :) Sharing for a group was the norm, not the exception. The earlier builders were thick clients which ran on PCs. (These still run today, btw, and have been updated by fans; my table still uses them.) These received, AFAIR, universally...

But I'm not one of those 'metric tons' of people. Hi, I'm me. IMO, comparisons to other digital offerings are completely fair - both for other RPGs right now, and for the previous edition. Uhhhhh.... Okay.....? Seriously, does that have anything to do with what I've been saying?

Wow. Add this to the 'dumb D&D tricks' file.

Hmmm, maybe I picked the wrong hobby, if they're getting all the beer and cigars...

That's not remotely what I'm saying. A paid subscription model is a workable way to go about a service like this. I am saying the price point is absurd, particularly when I compare/contrast what we got with DDI. I will grant that the tier where you can share everything is a much better deal...

"I need to pay $60 to use the core stuff and more to use anything else in any tools" is a start-up fee.

That is not as generous as you seem to believe, considering all the other free tools which do the same or more? And especially when compared to other systems. "Oh look at all the low value free stuff" is fine and good, but it's hardly worth a round of applause :) Hey, I have no beef with...

So... Am I missing something here? I didn't look into this until today - so check me where I'm getting caught up. * There's a one-time startup fee, which looks to be minimally $60. You need this in order to do anything above the Basic Set, because otherwise you can't access the content from...

And let's not forget the hilarious detail that you need to pay a monthly fee to read the books you just 'bought', if you want to read them without ads. :lol: I mean you can't even download a copy to read offline, unless I'm missing something.

Wait - am I reading this right? To even use the content from SCAG or the upcoming Xanathar's in the character builder, I need to buy the digital book for $30 in addition to the presumable $30+ I paid for the hardcover? Pull the other one. :lol: I was thinking that was just to unlock the book...

It may have that at launch. (But notably not including stuff like Unearthed Arcana content, no?) I'm with the others; I have never known WotC to over-deliver for their digital offerings. Mobile-access-wise, remember - smartphones and tablets were on the upswing back then, but nowhere near as...

Fully functional character builder with all content for the game, fully-functional monster builder with all content for the game (and all monsters from all releases), searchable compendium with all rules content, Dragon and Dungeon with tons of new content for $70/year with no up-front per-book...

It isn't even as functional as 4e DDI.

Yeah, I am pretty sure that's what most people did. And yet I am pretty sure it was intended as a balancing mechanism anyways. :) I had a 2e DM who had me micromanage my wizard's spell components. I needed to buy, like, paper cones and freaking sand. Instead of grabbing sand from somewhere and...