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The problem, IMO, with AD&D's limits on casting - material components, extreme time to recover spells, etc. - was that it was often balance through tedium. And anything that took that much table-time to juggle and micromanage would naturally just fall by the wayside. (Oh, and I didn't see any...

I'm all for interesting choices, but the split-stats from Skills & Powers largely didn't make for them. They primarily made for obvious and boring ones, which served to power up some PCs for little cost. (Except of course when both halves of a stat were helpful - and in those cases, you left it...

Nah, that doesn't sound enlightening, engaging, or fun, so I'll pass. [emoji38] But seriously, play and enjoy the games you enjoy. Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk

Munchkin the Card Game. And yeah, it's a wretchedly-designed game, but people still have a blast with it. More power to them; leave me out. And I did. My answer is that you have a really sophomoric definition of "balance" if you think that's what it means. I also think it's so far afield of the...

Who ever said people can't enjoy unbalanced games? You're introducing arguments nobody is making. On the more extreme end, Buffy/Angel and the Doctor Who RPG are intentionally unbalanced. People can even enjoy terrible games. Tons of people still play Munchkin, for example. Sent from my Moto G...

You know that's unrelated to the argument you just made, right? Enjoy the games you enjoy, godspeed. I ran Marvel FASERIP myself last year. It worked less well than I had remembered from playing it in the mid 80's - the chart was a bear, and a few other things - but it was a good time overall...

Brother. Come on. Either you're being unreasonably strict regarding the definition of "balance" and making the bar so high that it's impossible to cross, or you're ignoring a lot of excellent game design. Or maybe both.

Oh good we're still on that! :lol: That's only if you're really terrible at game design, or are taking a sophomoric view of 'game balance.' I wouldn't say objectively poor, but it definitely works best within certain game constraints - namely, extended campaigns. I think BECMI/RC does an...

Yes there can be. And yes, they can. When we're talking elves and gnomes, we're talking species - like altogether different biology and physiology - even though it's called a "race" in the game. This is of course not true on Earth, where it's all homo sapiens sapiens. Light skin or dark skin...

Again, going back full circle. Rather than repeating myself, I'll direct you to the entire rest of the thread. Again, if I'm not mistaken. Sent from my SM-T800 using Tapatalk

This entire conversation is rules about pretend elf games.

I know you're being sarcastic here, but my sense is that the further away from human you get, the less of an issue it becomes.

No - but that's what the entire thread has been about. All, what, 500 posts? If you want to talk about hypothetical games that are not Dungeons and Dragons in the D&D 5e forum, in a thread about attribute min/maxes in AD&D, where all the other posts have been about D&D, I'd suggest writing...

"Othering" is a real verb, as is "to other." As expected, it means more or less, "treating people as intrinsically different from yourself." Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk

As soon as I expand it to include something beyond the Epic Tier levels I calculated out, I'll update a version I made with the 1st Level Damage Forever damage calcs, if anyone would find that helpful. :)

Dude, chill, I know and so does everyone who's been following along. I was exaggerating for effect. Replace that with "-2 to Strength" or "-2 to Strength and +2 to Charisma, with men getting vice-versa" if you see fit. I don't think any of these scenarios change my hypothetical in the least, or...

Oh my god, allowing male and female characters in Dungeons and Dragons to be equally competent at any class they choose is not 'corrosive, woman-hating nonsense.' And - like I said - you know that's nonsense. That's not what anyone is saying. They are saying that codifying this inequality into...

Dude, this is a bucket of nonsense, and I think you know it. First, we're talking game design. Second, WHAT? In D&D the game, a character's Strength score directly informs their capability as warriors. If there are caps or penalties on womens' Strength scores, that will directly influence their...

So you said you weren't around a few years ago, and you probably don't understand how toxic the forum community got. Edition warring is not the same thing as an honest discussion. And just as 4e fans could scroll past and chill, 4e haters could just scroll past and chill. Which is - I think -...

One of the biggest reasons people hated Monty Haul campaigns is that things were weird back then. At least, they seem so to me - and keep in mind, I started playing in 1982. You see, your character was your character. And it was totally normal to go from one DM to another DM and bring your...