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Yeah, as I said, absurd nonsense. (e: For anyone lost and/or confused by this, Saelorn is essentially saying, "Games which have narrative mechanics - like Fate Core, Apocalypse World, Cortex, and possibly even D&D4e and FFG Star Wars - aren't real RPGs, and when you sit down to play them, even...

I am definitely not following the sidetrack into your assertions about how games must necessarily follow your view of simulation other than: Nope. The key here, of course, is that human males also can't fly or swim through lava in D&D. Which is the starting point of this discussion, so I don't...

The first and last parts of this sentence are in conflict. "It is meaningless, but also here's how it happens." If a woman character is blocked off from high strength scores, they are blocked off from the narratives those strength scores would lead to.

That's an excellent way of looking at it.

It's a combination of different measures, and as I said way upthread at this point, there's no reason for it to be limited purely to raw lift/press/grip strength. The other stats are pretty broad umbrellas, after all. (Charisma for example is somehow 'social proficiency,' 'command,' 'musical...

I'm all about collaboration. It seems to me that if the DM and the players are seeing eye to eye, this shouldn't be a problem. The DM needs to give a bit, and the players likewise. Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk

Hell, this wasn't even subtext. It's outright text! Sent from my Moto G (5) Plus using Tapatalk

I absolutely love RC/BECMI D&D. It's my second favorite edition at the moment. It's a marvel of tight, focused game design, does some wonderful things to ease players into the rules, and has brilliant things like domain management and weapon mastery baked into the default assumptions. It also...

Don't mistake my thinking it's a really dumb post for "being offended." :)

I don't know if you've noticed - but where at the point where clicking not-totally-serious XP on a post which we thought was not-totally-serious will lead to overwrought, hand-wringing, condescending expressions of personal disappointment. (And yes, even with full knowledge re: sarcasm, it was...

I keep a treasury of many posts that made me face-palm. Sent from my SM-T800 using Tapatalk

Yep; Strength is the only line on the table which is different for men and women, and it is lower for women across the board. (Although in some cases, only lower in the exceptional strength categories.) Again though - this is one edition in 40+ years which included this.

You know dragons can fly because they have a fly speed. Pretty sure the fluff never describes how they are flying around. You know there are strong halflings because exceptional individuals can have high strength. Mechanics can - and do - both imply and create the game narrative.

Gosh, Libramarian, I have no idea how I will sleep at night having disappointed you. :lol: If you think he's a drive-by troll with a crazy rant, report his post. And stop assuming that XP is a blanket approval of an entire post and/or posting history, 'cuz that ain't how I use it.

What's xp mean? I agree? I'm glad they spoke up and gave their opinion? Hey, nice avatar? Universal acclaim for that post with no disagreement? If you have a problem with a post, bring it up with the poster instead of reading the tea leaves and asking a third party to defend it. Sent from my...

One earlier version of the game - AD&D 1e. It was notably absent before, after, and contemporaneous to 1e (that being the BECMI line). I don't think there's ever been a time that the only published version of the D&D rule-set has included attribute caps by sex, unless Holmes has them.

I would also find it rather unnecessary. If Jimmy wants his character to be an old guy who swings around a huge sword; or Jesse wants a spry elderly lady who's a skilled thief - what's the issue? (I think both of those sound pretty awesome, especially the last one, actually.) If you think your...

No racism (thank goodness) but I think it's legitimate to have questions about the motivations of folks who feel it's important to include game mechanics which would lead the game down pathways that just so happen to represent earth human traditional gender roles. When - as stated before -...

First - I don't think we're talking about your homebrew patriarchal/matriarchal society; we're talking about magic elfland (aka Forgotten Realms for 5e), the game's default setting. Choices already matter - you listed quite a few of them. There are a few reasons a character's biological sex is...

I think we can just posit that average men and average women have different muscle mass as populations on earth right now. Likewise we can point at exceptional individuals who greatly exceed those averages. The question of, "what is worthwhile to model in pretend elf games, set in...