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Did anyone really expect anything different? WotC and anything electronic have been complete busts since the days when dwarven women still had beards. But I am immensely underwhelmed on DDI. Just a bunch of crap we already knew about? Nothing - not even Dragon or Dungeon - to show? My lord...

thanks for this. wis p.s. mike - i thought you had given up the 4e ghost? glad to have you back.

And I for one am happy because of it.

I think David meant: Would you still like 4e if you only have the first three 4e books over the next five years?

1. Can a warlock make a Stealth check to hide during/after the move that grants him Concealment? I forget the name of the class feature/power, but it basically grants the warlock Concealment if he moves at least 3 squares away from his starting location. Concealment is needed to hide, and...

Well, I agree for the most part. I don't think the OGL helped fuel 4E's impressive sales, since we're talking two different animals. But - but - I do think the OGL helped make 3E the success that it was, and the success of 3E has helped spur the success of 4E's roll-out. Wis

Yep. Ryan D. is a demi-god in my mind. These numbers seem to certainly suggest that 3E, if nothing else, set the stage for a robust community after a decade or more of decline. Likely this was due to the OGL and the rules themselves which, though grognards may disagree, were certainly an...

Agreed with everything except the messageboards comment. I have long suspected you can't rely on messageboard traffic for anything of substantive value when considering norms or trends. And the recent spate of absurdities that occurred upon these very boards - when held against the...

The irony is that these numbers seem to indicate that our community is bigger, stronger, and more homogeneous than ever before. This is in direct contrast to the woe that was cried on these boards (including the whining by yours truly) that our community was being fractured between 4e and 3e...

I think it does. While there's any number of other influencing factors, I think it's a safe assumption to state that 3e did indeed propel/grow the game. (Did we ever doubt this?) That growth has acted as a springboard for what we're seeing now with 4e. Still want the D&D cartoon back... Wis

I'm sure we're better at supplying demand than we were in 2000, and Al Gore's internet has a lot to do with that. I don't think, however, that we're talking about pre-orders here (at least not exclusively). We're talking about number of units sold. And that's been a standard metric since the...

Right. That was one of the first things I noticed about the announcement. Credit my cynical nature, I guess. But, again, looks like 4e trumps the revision and the edition. Quite soundly, by all accounts, and only with tallying up pre-orders. Again, this is a good time to be a gamer. With any...

Also, Mearls in his journal notes as far as print runs: 3E < 3.5E < 4E Regardless of what edition you like, these numbers seem to cast a very positive light on the size and growth of the hobby we share. Wis

Interesting numbers here: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/12654.html Basically, it looks like the print run for 4e was half again as much as 3.5E and it's already sold out. Back to the printers you go! Not sure how it would compare to 3E's first print run, to be honest. Edit: The sales...

I'd try to run them through (or have your DM run you through) KotS. While it's hard to make an accurate determination whether 4e is for your group or not based upon one introductory module, it's certainly better than doing nothing. My group was adamantly opposed to moving to 4e. After doing...

I think it would be hard, but you'd potentially have the Best Thing Going. Paizo does fluff like nobody's business (RotRL), and WotC has the best crunch (4E). If you can combine them...well, I'd pay to read that story hour. Yes, yes - everything above is IMO, YMMV, and all that crap. Wis

Will 4e bring back 1e/2e gamers? Certainly, if these boards are any indication (which, I'll grant, is debatable). Will 4e bring in NEW gamers? I sure as hell hope so. I think this is what Hasbro is hanging their hat on. The community needs new blood. Badly. Will it sell more than 3e? No...

4e got me much more interested in these boards, to the detriment of the entire gaming community. Seems like this place kicked it up a couple notches since 4e was announced. More enthusiasm, more conjecture, more threads, more fun. Certainly there were some ugly threads and negativity, but that...

Well said. Wis

You're welcome, but I was wrong on the web site - it's vassalengine.org. I updated the steps you need to take in my first post (please see above). Thanks, Wis