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I know, but I'd rather see the change go in the opposite direction, i.e. paladins and rangers lose spellcasting...instead of the rogue gaining it. I'll give you that it's not a major change, and I'll also admit (having finally just finished reading PF) that there's a lot of very, very good...

Yep. I disliked the spell-casting versions of the Ranger (and, to a lesser extent, the pally) for the same reasons. I see this as an unfortunate design turn by PF. While I understand many of the PF changes seem to be geared toward making 3E more like 4E, this is one area where I wish they...

Right, you're way ahead of the normal 3E crowd. There's nothing remotely close to a "skill challenge" in 3E. You may have complex skill checks, which were introduced, but a codified mechanic to allow all players to contribute to the success or failure of a non-combat task via game mechanics? Not...

Good reply/rebuttal Wulf. I really have nothing to counter that. I hope what you see of 4E matches what you know of 4E, for all of our sake. If not, I'm heading to GURPS. Wis

tin - just curious as to whether google sites has a message board capability? i didnt seem to be able to find one. wis

*snap*

Wulf - All the finer points and mathematical posturing aside, which system - to you, based upon what you know - seems to better measure the challenge of combat, thereby allowing DMs to better plan encounters for their group: 3E or 4E. 4E? I agree. So time is better spent looking at what it...

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No questions, just appreciate your help and quick answers over there. Wish I had a 1/100th of your FG knowledge. Make us a 4E ruleset! :) Wis

News to me, Big J. Thanks. Btw, are you the Joshuha from over at the FG forums? Just curious. Wis

You are a bitter, bitter man. And Fox News rules.* Wis * Actually, it sucks. But it sucks less than all the other news channels.

I did the same exact thing. That must mean we're correct. :) Thanks, Wis

Dangit. Too slow. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

I'm curious whether you had the dragon use his darkness zone special ability. I did, and that really nerfed the casters and particularly nerfed the ranger. I thought this went against one of the design conceits of 4E wherein guys always had option, but sometimes had to take penalties. Let me...

Hi all - Some quick questions (which I don't thin are in the primer, but I've been wrong many, many times before). I hope some of you 4E enthusiasts can help me. If you have an answer, please indicate whether it's your own interpretation or whether we have seen rules for such. Thanks! :1...

Xan, if you're willing to share them, please do. I'm as done with 3E as I am with eating bacon on my ice cream, but I'm sure as heck curious. Mid-high level 3E magic killed my campaigns. Three times. Even though we soldiered on. Wis

Coke out of nose. Diet Pepsi, actually. Well struck! :)

For me, the mechanics of 4E are the big draw. Everything else can (and perhaps should) be introduced and handled by the DM/group. I wasn't a fan of dragonborn, eladrin, and the loss of the druid etc. But I'm keeping an open mind, and here's one 1979 grognard willing to move on and move...

You, sir, have earned a cookie. Great post, and great DMing. Wis

Thanks for the props - normally you never agree with me. And beyond the satisfaction I get of making you feel better, I agree with what I think you're suggesting: If no one likes 4E, then 4E won't get news space and will be relegated to its own ghetto sub-forum. Seems only fair. I hope that...