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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    Fair 'nuff. And there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone has different tastes, which is why there's so many different systems. For me, 4E is a change, but it's a positive change. But I respect the fact that others liked things just fine as they were (or are only looking for minor tweaks) and...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    I see your point. But as I said before, people AREN'T equally good at all things. You're never forced to choose between a combat ability and a noncombat ability. But you ARE forced to choose between two combat abilities, and between two noncombat abilities. As a rogue, it's not just a matter of...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    The only point I will raise is that I don't believe that the information released so far or shown at DDXP really highlights non-combat systems. While I'm a fan of "The PCs as Heroes", as Eberron should show, I like the mystery plot as much or more than over-the-top action. And I HATE the...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    Fair enough! Magic is, without question, something that is handled in a completely different manner in 4E; spells in 1st-3rd Edition all follow the same basic structure (even with the addition of things like the DC system in 3E), and 4E really takes things in a new direction. I really like...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    No one's told me that. I'd love to talk about multiclassing and rituals, but I'm not going to do it unless I see someone else do it first, preferably someone who actually works for WotC. Given that Jonathan Tweet revealing the names of a hanful of paragon paths remains headline news, I'm...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    Just checking - are you suggesting that as a 4E wizard the only difference between 3rd and 17th level is "larger numbers"? Because that's not true at all. Setting aside combat, ritual and utility magic provides a range of options as you advance in level. Have you seen a 17th level 4E wizard...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    But when you say "Such effects", what are you talking about, HSB? Because when I say that I like rituals, I'm not talking about polymorph, flight, or wildshape. Essentially, I'm handicapped by the fact that i can't reveal anything that hasn't already been revealed by an official source. So I...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    I'll just say that 4E prestidigitation is awesome (much as I always liked it in 3E, as well).
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    The 4E wizard is completely different from wizards in any of the previous editions, no argument. The Vancian wizard/magic-user really doesn't change much from 1-3E - sure, you've got spell DCs, specialties beyond illusion, and all that. But look back at 1E and you've got the same "Spells per...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    But in practice, this means less than you'd think. Because the wizard hasn't been improving his Strength, isn't trained at the skills, won't have magic items to help him with them, won't have used feats to boost them, and so on. Assuming your wizard has a 10 Strength, yes, at level 10 he'll have...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    I'll also note that I've got nothing against options in combat. Again, I'm an old Hero player, and I loved all the options in Fantasy Hero. It's not that I disliked the fact that I COULD trip or grapple in 3E; I just found the implementation cumbersome in comparison to many of the other core...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    I'm inclined to agree. Setting aside multiclassing, the core rogue class abilities are focused in a particular direction - although even there, even without any feats, any consideration of race or skills, looking purely at combat, I can make two first level rogues with completely different...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    Hey, check my posts again. I'm not promising any of that's there. I'm the one saying that 4E is KotOR, not SWG. I'm saying that it takes the hero's journey and does it really well. But in some ways I think you might look at it as an evolution of 2E that uses some of the same principles as 3E, as...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    This was certainly true for me. From the very begining, the things I liked about 3E were things like: The fact that all abilities followed the same modifier/penalty structure. The fact that all classes used the same experience structure. The way in which BAB and saving throws simplified...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    Yup. And as I've said from the start, I DON'T expect it to be to everyone's tastes. It's the hero's journey, not the weighty world simulator. But personally, I think it's a decent gamble... just as I think it makes sense for some companies to stand by 3.5 and continue to cater to those who...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    Yes, and it is. You can multiclass at first level if you choose. The key difference between 4E and 3E is that there is a difference between a ranger who's multiclassed to paladin and a paladin who's multiclassed to ranger. The paladin is still first and foremost a defender, the ranger a striker...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    In terms of design goals, I think 4E has far more in common with KotOR than SWG. Star Wars Galaxies was essentially a world simulation that happened to be set in the Star Wars universe. We're going to let you explore the life of that janitor, just in case you've been dying to do it. In Knights...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    Funny. I have relatives in DC, so I actually do show up there on occasion (though I missed DDXP). So who knows? (Now one could derail things with a huge side conversation on prefer Hero system... but I'll save that until I'm actually making a trip to DC!)
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    Although using the minion example, this still isn't actually that hard. If he's a minion at first level, it means he's expected to go down with a single hit from a first level character. In the case of the 30 hp kobold being used as a minion at higher levels, you'd have his pre-minion stats...
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    D&D 4E Keith Baker on 4E! (The Hellcow responds!)

    Hey, me too! Maybe we should get a game together.
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