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Oh I realize that the fluff is intertwined with the crunch in Storytelling/Storyteller systems. However if you look closely, and take a moment to consider the impact of mechanical changes, these systems in no way have classes. Like I said, I used to hack them quite easily to use them as genetic...

There can be only one! Hoomans!

Yeah, but mechanically I mean. In regards to mechanics the Disciplines are easy to swap around. That's why I don't think calling White Wolf games as having "classes" is all that accurate. In order to have a Catiff with Disciplines from different Clans is a easy as deciding that they can. You...

The restrictions on Clan Disciplines are all fluff related, right? You wouldn't have to invent a whole new "class" to have a Vampire use Disciplines from a different Clan, just handwave it and poof! they can use them, right? Or is it Requiem I'm thinking of?

Hahaha! What?!?!?

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Thanks! So...wouldn't that mean that 3e is a hybrid system. Haven't read the 5e stuff but I'm guessing it's a hybrid system. Also, wouldn't that make just about all systems hybrid?

The only one I bought was Blades in the Dark as that, right now anyway, is the one that gets mentioned all the time. I'm not really sure what you mean by hybrid system. Again, not entirely sure what you mean. Either players are restricted in what a character can take for abilities, or they...

THEY MAKE NO SENSE TO ME! 🤯😟🥺😢 I'm not a huge gamer and I will agree that there are both games with and without classes. However it seems the trend in games, at least the major IPs that a twit like me plays, seem to be going classless as that seems to be what the player base wants...

That's what you get for drinking a potion with no label.

D&D having a bigger fanbase doesn't change the fact that it is a single RPG. I don't remember the skills of the White Wolf games being restricted, same with the powers. It doesn't matter what clan you belong to, you can still take whatever skills and powers you want. In reality that clans are...

Nope, just D&D. Most other RPGs don't use classes.

Nah. It's brand recognition at this point. That and corporate money and logistical support. The core tenets of the game are being subverted by the game itself. Levels - Subverted by bounded accuracy. The Challenge Rating system. Alignment - Subverted by allowing the "evil" races to be playable...

Part of the reason I gave up on D&D was 3e and it's endless additions of classes. I found classless RPGs that work better as they allow for flexible character rules without needing to continuously add more classes. That's why I think it might be time for D&D to abandon that "sacred cow" if none...

So if everything is chosen at Level One and progresses without change all the way to Level Twenty, the subclasses are actually just classes. That's hilarious! 5e has had to invent more than a hundred classes! Maybe it's time to just ditch that super outdated concept! Hey 6e! Don't use classes...

This is one of the best descriptions of how I think a Kender should be!

Sounds like Battletech!

I generally don't have many characters die in the course of a campaign. I don't run combat focused games in the first place, and I recruit smart players so if they do have to fight, they stack the odds in their favor. However, I tend to run games where the players are heroes fighting against...

More Mouse Guard! NOT MY WORK!