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Honestly, if everyone just ignored the 4e haters, that might do the trick. It might be mildly infuriating, and it could lead to some odd moments - like that whole sandbox thing- but it's probably the most pragmatic and workable soluiton. It would certainly take a really deliberate, uniform...

I certainly think this is the case. This has become a habitual, legitmised part of the forum.

That was never the case, either within fandom, or outside of it. Within the hobby, plenty of people played D&D but never payed 3e, having moved on to other games. Many even came back for 4e.

Critisicm is one of the things that has suffered the most. It's really hard to talk about the GSL or the 4e feat tax when people are posting about how WOTC is a corporate supervillain, or how rope doesn't exist in the POL setting.

So you're rejecting the basis of all civilisation. Good luck with that. That's a misleading and innacurate description of the situation. The scientific conensus on the issue is overwhelming, and the much publicised 'debunkers' are nothing more than a tiny minority of propagandists who's support...

Oddly enough, I don't think you're being fair, either. I vertainly think that WOTC made moves that aliented people, but let's be frank here- the 4e haters have exagerated and read into that process time and time again, in a way which proves that they were looking to start a fight. At every...

Segregating the forums would be a mistake for this reason, and more. Everyone regardless of edition has a lot more in common than they do dividing them, and there's all sorts of overlaps and areas where inspiration and story concepts would just as well in any edition, or could even be enhanced...

Nobody said that. But nor is it 50%/50% or 0%/0% or whatever other nonsence people would like to pretend. No it's not-reality exists. Methods exist for us to reconcile our diverse points of view so that, in cases where it is nesecary, a consensus or resolution can be reached. Rejecting this...

Here's a crazy idea, how about instead of putting 4e threads in a 4e forum, you put edition war threads in an edition war forum?

You should experiment with doing a few fights on the fly. Do every second or third fight with minimal prep, and see how you and the group feel about it after the fact.

Actually in a great many cases it is. Not all cases, but certainly a substantial number of cases which are misrepresented as far more subjective and ambigious than they are. There are any number of real world debates where one side of the debate is wrong, and the other one is right. Many of...

This attitude is actually a big part of the problem. It's completly false. People are not equivalent, people don't argue simply to argue, and where there is a conflict, somebody usually did 'start it', and while there is rarely black and white distinctions, in actual fact it is often the case...

I'm not saying that people defending 4e are perfect, far from it and i'm not trying to misrepresent myself as some kind of neutral. People who argue against the 4e hate need to let the issue go. In light of that, i'm going to stop replying to you, although it's mostly symbolic since I suspect I...

See, scales actually weigh things based on one thing being heavier than the other. As stated, I think the other parties involved are being irrational also, but that is based on their actual behaviour, not becasue we have to pretend that everyone on both sides is equally bad, as if we were all...

The OP sounds like classic burnout to me, the best thing would be if he took a break, the group played something else for a couple weeks (maybe not even an rpg), and he talked to the group about the powergaming issue and how it's causing him grief.

The edition war is not healthy. I say this as somebody who is supportive of spirited debate in all sorts of situations, including on the net- i've even been banned from several edition wars threads due to my bluntness and yet, here I am posting again. But there's constructive discussion, and...

I'm sorry for interupting the otherwise endless rounds of ByronD's sophistry circle; please, do go on. ~ a good example of how to get threadbanned: Admin ~

Yeah I guess if people want to focus on the gameplay, but still put some thought towards their cities, a good rule of thumb would be to decide that every city would have to have something Special about it that allowed it to exist. This special thing should be broad enough that it would help the...

Everything is not just a matter of opinion. On the one hand, frankly if we're ever going to accept that any game system has any impact that is in any way other than subjective, we should be willing to recognise things like the caster/non-caster power split in 3e. But fine, let's just leave...

I just had another idea absed on nerathian sewers. Imagine a pretty big city, datng from the empire, which is still heavily populated. Imagine if back in the days of empire, there were people who worked on maintaining and managing the sewers. In the dark days that followed, these people...