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You've set up a deliberatly stark contrast there, in fact i'd be hard pressed to imagine any other combination of D&D settings where that point is valid. Most adventures written for say, Greyhawk or FR can be adapated to another setting with relative ease. Maybe not dark sun, maybe not a real...

So again, everything is just a matter of opinion, everything is relative, nothing can ever really been determined or discussed. I get why you like that idea, because it allows you to just endlessly post and argue and ignore any rebuttal, but it's not actually constructive or useful. The fact is...

4e isn't homogenous, that's something you've invented. 4e is just as versatile as 3e. But moving on from that. It's all well and good to talk about different players taking a spotlight. That happens in 4e as well. Ritualists, people with the right skill, the toughest character in a hard fight...

There is not less variety. It's more like- Well first let me say, sport metaphors are such a great idea. I mean, really. That said, it's more accurate to say that in 4e, everyone has a pretty clear role as a footballer(combat), but when playing cricket (non-combat), everone is an...

I did state my opinion of the topic: the topic is absurd, and until people recognise that, this issue can't be resolved. Even if there is something constructive to be achievd here, it won't be achieved while all the 4e-haters are treated like superior beings who must not be challenged. The...

So what you're saying is that nobody is allowed to say anything is valid or invalid, or credible? Ok so where does that leave the discussion? Or do you tolerate certain experts, IE people you agree with? Well if you'd taken my advice you could be having a much more constructive discussion, but...

Coming from you that is astoundingly ironic. You are exactly what i'm talking about. This is a planetary-scale irony event. For real, somebody get the EU on the line, I think Cern just exploded from all the irony. You can hide behind this ridiculous line about respecting points of view, but...

Of course, the only reasonable discussion is one where nobody is allowed to disagree with you- everyone has to not only tolerate your opinion, but accept your argument as gospel. Well, maybe from now on i'm going to argue that 3rd edition is too Communist, and me and a few other people will...

You know there's a three colum page full of small print playtester credits at the back of the phb, right? And that they were openly stating that they used late 3e products and feedback from them as part of the 4e design? And they used the RPGA for a great deal of playtesting? And they've been...

You should also think simple as well as complex and magical. There are simple things the elves could do, especially with enough time, without the use of magic, that could be impressive to your players and give a feeling of a pratical civilisation as well as a magical one. For instance, IIRC...

I'm not going to cop the blame for calling this thread, and these arguments, what they so obviously are. It also doesn't surpise me that you mark out somebody else as an 'edition warrior' because they too, refuse to give these criticisms more credit than they deserve. Some of people make valid...

Again, predictable. I didn't say what he claimed, and quoting my post doesn't change that. I never said 4e was flawless or anything similar, in fact the post you were replying to mentioned one of the flaws in 4e.

The thing is, it would be great to talk about combat and 4e because I do think there are issues with it, but the problem is that the real issues have very little to do with the issues people make up when they're ranting. The same goes for the broader role of combat in 4e: I do suspect that...

MarkB, I can't imagine your DM is giving you as much variety as you think. The monster roles are extremly versatile, especially if you use them in different ways. I've been running a 4e game for over a year and while there have certainly been samey' fights, I find that it's easy enough to get...

Admin note: this has been addressed. In the mean time, we're leaving this up as a good example of how not to post at ENW. Confrontative insults aren't a great way to get anyone to pay attention to you. ~ Piratecat I'm not going to go back and fourth with you when your argument is absurd and...

That's not what I said. I said your claim about advertising was rubbish, and it is. I'm not suprised you jumped to the wrong conclusion, because if it's one thing people in these arguments can't stand, it's the idea that 4e might be just plain better than 3e. Gasp! No! We must keep that idea...

You don't have a minority opinion, it's just a minority opinion on threads where people endlessly complain about 4e and make up reasons to criticise it because they don't want to admit that their hostility to it isn't really based on 4e at all, but rather their attachement to 3e and their anger...

Your assesment of the rules is just not accurate. 4e doesn't have tiny details, it has huge, great honking exception based rules. Thse take up most of the chracter sheet, from the class powers list, to rituals, to item powers. That's not even adding in exceptions like psionic characters who...

Hey, folks, your friendly admin here. If you're curious on how not to post, please use this series of posts as an example. It's the sort of thing that gets people threadbanned or suspended: deliberate insulting language that is designed to stir up arguments instead of discussing them. Please...

Again, it's not about survival. they aren't just surviving, they're protecting other comunities, heading off world-shattering disasters, preventing demonic invasions, and doing other things that help a great many people outside of their kingdom. The idea is their end result is good, a lot of...