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I honestly would like it to get away from the level treadmill, in the bargain. That's unlikely, but it feels as if there's a lot of makework in level-based systems, and bonus stacking is the kind of negative side effect that results.

Not really. Wizards still rule the roost at paizo, even the new 'martial' sourcebook manages to give them some extra goodies.

I frequent an entire thread that uses stuff like this for entertainment, but also manages to not be out of touch with what really spurs these arguments, and recognises the damage it's done to the comunity.

It was out of line, and it's not apropriate. It's not actually reasonable to say that 'these guys joking about bytopia can only be described using foul language'. In any argument or conflict, it's easy to blame both sides, or to claim that both sides act equally poorly, or that everyone in a...

That's assuming that a system works well to do the things it claims to do. People can argue that a system better services their play-style, but that is not a claim that should be immune to interrogation. For instance, there are games out there where some pcs are stronger and more magical than...

Frankly, I don't recall any such mentality in any real sense. I think it's an artifact of 4e bashing, not any genuine set of behaviour. They explained their reasons for making the changes they did, in a genuine and well intentioned effort to comunicate with the comunity, and pepple retconned...

You are arguing whether you admit to it or not, and you're labeling me as hostile because you resent that I am assertive in a way you don't find gratifying, and arguing counter to your viewpoint. You're trying to frame the discussion in a way that suits your viewpoint and excludes or devalues...

But it's subjective! See, they should have been able to know what people would subjectivly be offended by! Where do you get off implying that the guy with the conspiracy theory problem is the one arguing against the idiotic cancelled-5e-annoucement-anonymouse-trustworthy-sources fiasco? There is...

Reminder that penny arcade once made up a joke D&D plane for a comic, which it then turned out was also an actual plane in D&D. Since people like to use the equivalancy fallacy in this debate. 5e was never going to be announced at that event, and anybody claiming it might have been be is blowing...

Not to mention 3. The debate about the new edition has now gotten so silly that people honestly expected 5e to be launched at gen con, and then when it wasn't, they started making up scenarios whereby their disproven prediction was somehow still not wrong. At the end of the last module it's...

Again, do you not see how this applies to the people in this thread who are really angry that a couple of guys made some jokes about bytopia? And again, at some point you do have to recognise where most of the fist-waving, slightly mystifying anger, and frankly bizzare rumors about 5e at gen...

Well, twitter does have a character limit. . .

Wow, you seriously just did that?

Sure, if they're looking for an excuse. But frankly, that's what's going on. People backlashed against 4e because they were angry about change. And then they found excuses and rationalisations for that anger. Or indeed, large numbers of very real 4e critics making absurd, hyper critical, and...

No no no, I didn'ty say that it wasn't old and repeated, I said, quite corectly, that there wasn't actually that much depth and history involved. Firstly, a lot of the material was just repeated. Second, a lot of the additional details didn't relate to real depth or history. Third, while there...

Yeah, let's all pretend this is a legit rumor some more. The con came and went, there was no pulled announcement, or anything of the kind. The 'type of behaviour' is all yours. The history of the 4e planes is well established, and is defined by sweeping events of the past like the dawn war and...

Ebberon has a similar concept with their planes, with different planes moving closer to and further away from the prime. Different eras in history have been influenced by this, iirc.

I'm wondering where they are positioned on the scale between normal 4e monsters, and some of the real heavy hitters from the dark sun monster book.

I'm sorry, but describing something like that as 'that kind of behaviour', and claiming that such behaviour can only be described using obscenity is not productive in any way, shape or form. It's an absurd and vindictive mischaracterisation of a couple of actual human beings who would never be...

Yeah, I tend to load an AP in when and opportunity presents itself, like as a follow-up to a crit, or to fire off a special combo attack. It doesn't always work, and I tend to modify monsters such that for isntance, their encounter 'sthick' powers are reliable, and stuff like that.