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Oh hey, I looked away and my topic blew up. I'm totally fine with the fact the half of it was debate about Witch Bolt. Now I definitely agree that Witch Bolt isn't the worst spell ever, but for those saying it isn't so bad because it's damage is okay at low levels in comparison to cantrips, I...

It's a joke, I don't think those weapons are problematic under any conditions. An advantage for martial classes is always welcome.

Woooooow... I mean, seriously. It's not even a ritual? What were the devs thinking? I think so far the spells listed that meet my expectations of truly useless are true strike and find traps. Blade ward could stand to be better, but it sounds like good use of it is being made by some clever...

Care to explain? I can't agree more, I started this thread because I was ordering wizard spells by usefulness for determining how much I would pay for an opportunity to scribe them. Witch bolt was, in fact, last on the list for its level. The only time I would even consider preparing it is if I...

Yeah, if I had a ring of three wishes, I would probably just toss it. Truly though, I like that it is much less costly now, but I agree that some of the effects listed probably shouldn't risk permanently losing the spell. XP costs are dumb enough that I'm happier with this version though.

See title. What are, in your opinions, the most rancid, useless spells in 5e?

Thank you Cap'n, this table looks very useful, you are a credit to these boards. Unfortunately this table gives out rapiers, hand crossbows, and halberds more than 0.1% of the time each, so I can't recommend this for DMs with groups of veteran players.

I really like all these explanations, especially LordEntrails'. Thank you all.

Wizards clearly draw from some finite source of energy, because they can run out of spell slots (ignoring cantrips). Warlocks and clerics presumable have an amount of energy bestowed upon them from their patrons along with the spells themselves. Sorcerers draw upon energy from within themselves...

Fighter 3 Paladin 4 Rogue 2 Wizard 3 What happened to all you paladin haters? We're at the top 4 and pally is in 1st place!

Fighter 7 Paladin 7 Rogue 10 Warlock 3 Wizard 7

Bard 9 Fighter 12 Paladin 6 Rogue 10 Warlock 10 Wizard 13

Bard 13 Cleric 7 - This'll help. Druid 8 Fighter 17 - Sorry fighter, you need more utility. Paladin 9 Rogue 16 Warlock 14 Wizard 18

By "win," I believe mellored means conquer the obstacle placed before you by the DM. We already have "reduce weight" in the form of Levitate. Not entirely sure what you mean by "transform food and water" though.

Just a quick note, you can't use more than one action surge in a turn, even if you have two.

Bard 17 Cleric 10 - The cleric cast cure wounds on itself. Druid 11 Fighter 19 Monk 7 - My brother's favorite class. Sorry bro, all the remaining classes are better. Paladin 14 Rogue 21 Warlock 19 Wizard 20

Another missed update, Rogue should be 24 from post 73.

Barbarian 4 Bard 20 Cleric 14 Druid 13 Fighter 18 Monk 12 Paladin 17 Ranger 9 - Wanna know why barbarians are so angry? Because they see they're about to get eliminated before rangers somehow. Rogue 23​ Warlock 21 Wizard 23 - The wizard's artificer subclass > The artificer class. Wizards make...

Barbarian 11 Bard 23 Cleric 18 Druid 16 Fighter 20 Monk 13 Paladin 17 Ranger 13 - See below. Rogue 23​ Warlock 22 Wizard 20 - Seriously, even all the UA archetypes are great. All 3 of them. What's a War Mage? List of things a ranger can do that others can't... Cast Hex Have a familiar Use bows...

Personally I like Sharpshooter and Great Weapon Master for this reason. Some people claim they give out too much damage, but the way I see it is if casters get to do damage and utility, they can at least give martial classes mega-damage.