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And if you can't run or negotiate, surrender is an option. In effect, faced with overwhelming force, the paladin surrendered.

I can't think of one, but unless the sentiment is specific to dragons, that is immaterial. Once the group saw demons terrorizing and hunting villagers. Had a paladin stepped forth to challenge them, they'd happily have had paladin soup. Not to mention the humanoid slave raiding parties...

Supplement creep was terrible in 3.X. I was playing in a campaign where a player persuaded the DM to effectively allow anyting WotC published and it ran several years. My favourite character was Glanvar the 15th level Dream Dwarf Cleric 1 (Luck and Travel)/Wizard (Domain:Trasmutation)...

4e had a lot in the little experience I had. Just not in combat. Reading the DM was great for skill challenges though.

There's a place for paladins in an awful lot of campaigns. Paladins who believe "If I couldn't prevent a dragon from killing an innocent, how exactly was I to save the world from an even bigger menace?" fit in fewer. Because either the paladin never sees a superior threat attacking innocents...

The rival should get steadily worse as dehydration sets in and become obvious to anyone who glances at the NPC that it isn't doing well. If water is forced in the mouth, make a Con check or the NPC chokes. If allowed to wake up to drink/eat/clean, start screaming and begging other party...

Perhaps I'm misremembering, but it not just belief in the gods, every person who didn't specifically pick a patron deity ended up in the wall which I thought was mean. "I think the gods are real and I pray to A when I do X, and B when I do Y because those are the ones in charge of the domains...

First, it was not a deal it was a coercive demand. "Do this" is not a deal even if you accede, when it accompanied by explicit or implicit "or else". Second, we only have a single side of the story and it is light on detail. I don't think there is any argument that the player demonstrated, at...

DMs enforcing lawful stupidity/comic book philosophy encourages it, but it's when they turn up on the player-side where these sentiments burn group trust.

Several people In the thread agree that the paladin should be considered a murderer or at a minimum an unindicted co-conspirator. I see the paladin as effectively a mugging victim.

It's the essence of all roleplaying, I suppose. Games added rules so that some form of objective or shared measure replaces reliance on judgement alone to mitigate and alleviate differing expectations and interpretations..

1st method of char gen is substantially better than the second. 28d6 brings them closer.

Umm, by not standing directly in front of the threshing machine? Like, I can save 100 people from a machine gun nest by sidling around and taking it out from the side but still fail to save a single one from being killed by standing in front of machine gun fire. And this is why many groups...

I just figure for D&D intelligence is so strongly linked to species survival that even species that look like inanimate objects will tend to develop it. Sort of like how detecting and discrimination of electromagnetic waves (i.e. some form of sight) has spread through most of the species on...

Why do you find it strange? It's not like a critique of one game tells you anything about how people feel about another. Likely, it just means the concerns are prioritised. Some games have specialists who are the only ones who can operate effectively inside a particular space: Cyberpunk's...

Nah, you're multiclassed elven F/MU and have a Grldle of Giant Strength.

Since the mods yanked the OP picture without leaving the link, can we get a new text download link please?

The OP DM does think stripping levels is appropriate; that's in the OP. He came asking for advice on the mechanics and if others thought it was too harsh. 1) I agree. 2) Sure! If the situation warrants the encounter. but the player should know the stakes of his choices. You shouldn't assume...

I agree! But don't get me wrong, either of the situations (no-win or screw-up) are possible at my table. The no-win part would involve (possibly unwitting) player cooperation to set up the scene (they'd have to be in an adult dragon's hunting range and then split up the party), and once the...