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Yeah, like Aenghus said. AFAIK, the church inquisitor is the lowest. A straight cleric can get into it at his 4th character level (so a clr 3/ci x).

Too bad. :shrugs: :)

Have you tried posting this over on Wizards' Character Optimization board (or even doing a search there)? If you can find a positive answer anywhere, it should be there.

Kast, Wow, I totally forgot about the condition ending when the encounter did. It was actually the fact that I'm playing a barbarian that I started thinking about fatigue & exhaustion in general, not just how they'd apply to a barbarian, so I was looking for answers that could apply...

Um, actually I was going by the cleric spell list on pages 183-185, & going by memory of heal. Now that I looked up the restoration spells, I see that bit. T'anks. Any idea if a noncore book has something that cancels out the effects? Maybe a 1st level spell, but that's all it does? Just...

I'm trying to figure out what can cancel the above two adverse conditions. Yes, I just started playing a barbarian, & I don't intend him to advance far in the class at all, let alone 'til he would get Tireless Rage. So far, the only things I can find are 8 hours' sleep (well, duh!) & heal. Any...

Unless SS has been errata'ed, that's incorrect. Page 152, left-hand column, second paragraph, expressly forbids multiclassing beofre the monster class progression is finished.

I thought you kept all class-gained abilities when changing shape (not just wild shape, but including polymorph, etc.). 'Cept for ones that aren't possible with certain forms, like a wizard's somatic spells when in snake form or similar such situations.

Uh, yeah, I wanted the smiley to show that I was only kidding.

But by the RAW, do you think that's how these powers & spells are to interact? Just curious, mind you. And balance & consistency have no place in the Rules Forum. :D

atom crash & Caliban, Oh, sorry, I see that now. In my egocentric reality, I thought I was being referred to (since I had started the thread). My bad. :o Piratecat, Yeah, like Caliban said, which position are you taking?

Uh wow. Lotta' activity since I was here last. Caliban & green slime, KarinsDad pretty much stated my rules view on this. If the intent of the designers was to make concealing amorpha the psionic equivalent of blur (& that would make sense to me, as the effects they provide are pretty much...

If it were, wouldn't it be called blur, psionic? Concealing amorpha doesn't disguise its image, like an illusion, but makes a physical substance surrounding a creature. True Seeing can't penetrate physical objects & is ineffective against fog & similar (meaning physical?) effects. Also, can...

Oh, I quite agree. I'm just wondering if there are any ways around the two powers, other than dispelling (via magic or psionics).

On a related note, would traditional counters to blur & displacement (like true seeing, blindsense, blindsight, etc.) be useful against the concealing amorphas? Going by the flavor text, I'd again want to say no for the most part, as the effect isn't some type of illusion, but a slightly...

Damn, that sucks. Oh well, moving on.

Yeah, I misspoke in that second block of text. In the first block of text is where I had mentioned the two miss chances.

Would either of these stack with blur or displacement, granting two miss chances? The power/spell descriptions seem to indicate it; one pair of powers creates a jelly-like field, while the other pair causes your body to seem to shift positions. Can different concealment effects stack, I guess...

You don't think it's unfair. Some of us do. :shrugs: LA is already supposed to be the punishment for playing certain monsters (by way of reduced HD from "phantom levels"). Having LA also count towards epic BAB & saves is just kicking you when you're down, IMO. Ah well, I too think this thread...

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