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Sabyhna was still enthralled by the frolicking otters, and absently followed aboard, still watching the playful creatures. Crouching down at the side of the raft, she also dipped a hand into the water to feel the temperature; the gentle water was tempting to take a little swim.

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Under 2e, which seems to be your point of reference, a Grey Elf gets +2 Int, which is hard to beat, even for a -2 Cha penalty (they still get the +1 Dex / -1 Con). That's huge. Yes, it was in the Complete book of Elves (and for all I know Dragon before that), but I rarely played at a table that...

The short answer is this: It doesn't have anything to do with the topic. It's degenerated into a tribal edition-war-by-proxy. It looks to me like the same people taking sides against "the enemy" and what they represent. I think it's largely been precipitated, as is usual, by a few (of the same)...

I'm not really invested in this silly argument, but that depends again on which edition you're talking about. In 2e, Elf wizards capped at 15, and with the optional advancement rules, with a 19 Int, could hit level 19. Pretty much every DM I ever played with ignored the level limit rules in any...

"Now that you mention it, Wat, it does seem a little odd..." Sabynha steps carefully, looking for any sign that someone has come this way recently; tracks along the bank, or some other sign that this is some kind of trap or ambush. Perception...

Just a heads-up that I may be delayed in posting this weekend. It's game-day tomorrow and I'm in the process of buying a house, so I'm pretty busy trying to get everything in order.

I lol'ed at this one. I tried to xp you for making me laugh, but I need to spread it around more.

Sabynha returns Wat's smile with the warmth due a person who had just earlier saved her life. And just a hint of mischief. Now that Oakstaff was long-gone she felt less safe in these dangerous times, even with all her companions near, and drew her sword, just in case. She would be glad of it...

I will point out just how trivial it is with an example that Derren should know well (based on the SR icon in his side pane): Shadowrun. It has a skill system that goes from stat checks, to skills, to concentrations, to specializations; from incredibly broad to monofilament-narrow. All within...

Nope. Number of languages as bonus proficiency slots was PHB core. In other words, if you're using the optional NWP system, then you get bonus slots from Int. And so what if bards got a bunch of free NWPs that were "bad" (and I would say that Local History has potential to be pretty good)? How...

I don't know how impossible it would be. Basic sounds like it's going to just use stat-checks for skills, and Standard and Advanced could offer different options in a rather bolt-on fashion that could take the skills one way or the other from there. Options. Modules. Dials. Whatever you want to...

That's why if Next is to succeed, it needs to be able to do both fairly well, and hit a few notes in between as well. Also, nobody said anything about "impossible" cliffs. The example that pemerton used was a modest cliff, and his point was apt. Some folks prefer it that way, and that's fine...

In order to meet their mandate of making everyone happy under their "big tent" in Next, they will have to provide options for both camps. Probably a few other camps that we aren't discussing in this thread as well. They seem to have the 'no skills' camp covered with raw ability checks, and they...

Sabynha bows graciously when Oakstaff presents them with these gifts, and finds a convenient sash to secure it in. She also pulls out a small bag to hold the fruit and finds a hiding spot for that as well. She whistles along with Tui as best she can, at times harmonizing, at others in a...

Table 38: Bard has access to the Rogue, Warrior, Wizard, and General NWP groups. More than any other character class. At level 1, they get the same number of NWPs as Warriors (3), but do acquire them more slowly. However, they also have 4 Thief skills (Pick Pocket, Detect Noise, Climb Walls...

I don't know what version of 2e you were playing. Bards got a very broad selection of NWP groups to choose from, and could take any WP. [/SIZE][/FONT] Also, the description of the class feature that allowed them to influence reactions indicated that the music could be represented by oratory or...

This last part is so very, very key to my wholesale adoption of 4e. AD&D was serviceable but fairly kludgy in attaining the kind(s) of game(s) I was after, 3.x feels like it's actively fighting me in my attempt to run the kind(s) of game(s) I want, whereas 4e is just a malleable toolkit, and has...

The bard has traditionally been a different kind of skill monkey - the 'jack-of-all-trades' type to the rogue's 'expert' at a bunch of specific things. I think there's room for both.

As bard is one of my favourite classes/archetypes, I'll be a little disappointed if they don't get a 'jack of all trades' skill monkey option. There's plenty of precedent for it. The other stuff sounds not bad, though I'd also like to see a more combat-focused bard as well (a la Blade...