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"Thank you, Wat. I... I will try not to slow you down. We must stop the assassin..." It then occurred to her that much time may have passed, "...if it's not too late. How long was I... like that?" "Ah, you acted swiftly." She smiled, a hint of her old effervescence returning along with her...

*sigh* Claiming that this poll in any way shows that respondents are either pro- or anti- warlord is a stretch of any kind of truth here, and what I described. Only 17, now 15.6% of those polled responded that they actually would be upset at the inclusion of an option for a healing warlord...

Slowly, 'awareness' seeped back into Sabynha. She first became aware of the presence of things familiar; she could hear familiar voices - friends. At first, it was as though a dream can taken hold of her, but then other sensations began to creep in as well; the feel of hands on her form, the...

Let's not. I told you - I'm done. I do not draw the same conclusions from the data that you do. Feel free to make the numbers do whatever cartwheels you wish, but you're grasping; nothing in the wording of this poll indicates either pro- or anti-warlord. At all. Feel free to disagree, but like I...

I disagree with your analysis of the data in the poll. I don't think that your conclusions are supported by the available data and further that you are twisting the responses it in a way which supports your conclusions. Conclusions that I and several others have already and repeatedly pointed...

I was waiting to see if there were going to be more posts about the process. I can certainly add one about her recovery...

I'm tempted to pick these up, since I have very few surviving copes of my 2e books; they were very well loved over the years. A few years into 3e, I picked up some pristine copies of the original 2e PHB for a song, and someone later gave me a mint DMG, which I've kept "safe," but I would like to...

This is reaching several pages back, but I was otherwise engaged when this thread continued on. I just wanted to address this though. What I see in the poll is that most people who answered don't care enough to get upset about warlord healing and only a small number do, 17%. There are more...

There were more factors at play than that, let's not kid ourselves (some of which are/were external to the game). Likewise, Daily spells (and all other Daily resources) are pretty Vancian-sounding to me, so nope, not buying it.

I agree with you. In before, "because Tradition!"

That's super-cool. I will probably do this next time I have a small group! :)

I won't actually agree to that. It's *my* standard D&D, and it does all the "standard" things D&D is supposed to do.

My mistake then. I still think it should be there, because I like it, as do a lot of other people, and because it deserves its own design space.

Mostly? Because I think the current version is awful. Are we still talking about skills? As for the Warlord, it should be included in the standard rules because it's a core PHB class from an edition of the game. One that many players are fond of. It was a stated aim. If they're revising that...

Then they should ALL be in the DMG, or ALL in the PHB - wherever it is that skills are going to go. First of all, GOOD. Second, I know, just like not everyone is like you. So what's your point? Do they want my business or not? Are they trying to be inclusive or not? Signs point to 'no' at the...

I don't think anyone is pretending that it's widely embraced, but I don't think that conclusion [that it's better designed, as distinct from a better design] is all that far off the mark. Obviously some will disagree.

Still missing the point. It's the particular implementation I don't like, and they don't offer an alternative that I do like in Next. Is it? Burying something in the DMG sounds like a bit of both. And TBH, I couldn't care less about 'standard' or 'tradition'. Adding something from 4e doesn't...

That wasn't my point. I could have said the same thing for ANY game mechanic that they've shown so far that I don't like. The entire skill check system, for instance. I would rather have a version that goes all-out, of course. I would also rather it be in the core book, along with all the other...

Why not the other way around? Why not stick the MDD and manoeuvres in the DMG and call them optional? I mean, if I don't like that system, I don't see why it should be in the PHB and that I should be forced to use it when another system I prefer already exists and is easily workable. Do you see...

Then you would have a very hard sell on your hands.