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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Right, which is why suggestions of "cheating" or "get-out-of-jail-free cards" is irrelevant to this discussion. Something done following the rules of the game cannot be cheating, by definition.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Surely this only makes sense as a concern in terms of challenge base play? All play changes the narrative and the current state of the fiction. I hope you'd agree that the runes could possibly be helpful for one of many reasons - creation of fiction that makes them so is not implausible. If...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The script used by the builders of Moria is explicitly called runic in the text. The Book of Marzabul is written in at least two different scripts, one of which is explicitly runic. Most of the Fellowship couldn't read it, and I don't think Gimli could read Tengwar. We know that Gimli was...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    And we pretend these falsehoods are true, for the time we pretend to spend in that world. Otherwise there would be no reason to suspend our disbelief.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Or the visitor was a long time ago and was writing in something readable for their time. Or the original builders put the map in place before it was overrun by whatever haunts it now. Or it's not a map, but instead some information (such as the name of a chamber) that can be cross-referenced...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    That our fictional worlds exist, that we have characters that inhabit them?
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    D&D General Mike Mearls' blog post about RPG generations

    For a "War" RPG, would that be something like the MechWarrior RPGs, Lancer and the 40k war based rpgs?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Not really. Neither I or the 30 year creator are required to incorporate fiction arising from the game into their world.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    For this case in particular, no aspect of the world is under threat. Even if the GM/Author runs a game in the setting, they are under absolutely no compulsion to incorporate the events of the game into it. Even if the characters slay Tredorar the Terrible, it still exists in the notes and the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Correct - the GM could have stepped in (or rather, dropped out of character from the role they were playing as the ghost lord NPC) at any point. They simply didn't. Equally, yes, there was no formal power here. To draw the analogy with @pemerton 's runes, the player only had the power to...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    For this case, I'd think I'd agree with @TwoSix in that the authoring here was largely subconscious - a process of fabulation. By being immersed in the character I subconsciously generated and spoke "memories" from them, the process didn't feel like active authoring. In this case, for me, at...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Sure, that makes sense. In this case, the village was ruined and all the relevant NPCs were dead or gone, so it's not the kind of thing the GM had prepared, nor were the exact details of what happened likely to be relevant in the future so it largely boiled down to colour.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    In this case, it was a grievance against my character from the NPC. I'd agree that collaboration was needed, and we did, just during the course of play rather than outside it. I'd agree on orthogonal - it's neither required nor does it necessarily prevent immersion. I'd also agree it was...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I forget the precise details, but this argument involved the treatment of at least two previously unspecified NPCs, at least one location that didn't yet appear on a map and IIRC, a local tradition. All "made up on the spot" - nothing that violated established fiction, all plausibly...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    To give an example from a few years ago. Game is 13th Age set in Greyhawk. My character is an elven princeling playboy and is in conversation with the ghost of a local NPC lord. We'd established the two characters knew each other and had been friends, but had parted on bad terms when they...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I can certainly see where you are coming from I suspect that's not how we actually narrate failures in a lot of cases. The examples of breaking ropes, crumbling handholds and so on for our climber kind of demonstrate this - I posted upthread about the idea that we'll often narrate an external...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    The argument may well be because the rules are silent on how to construct a "hit table" of this sort (this kind of thing is, ironically enough, almost exactly how WoW does it (or at least used to, years ago) behind the scenes). So for a character with plate and a shield so an AC of 20, you...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    How is it not playing the game right? All prep is being honoured. All mechanical interactions are being resolved in accordance with the principles and rules agreed by the table. All action declarations are being made in good faith and are being resolved in good faith. The location may be one...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Are we allowed to call principles what we like? Like Blorb, for example? Secondarily, it's entirely possible for the game to be being played but both the players and characters to end up bored. For example, the characters are searching for a secret door. Due to other principles, the GM is...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    So, stop engaging about it? If you aren't interested, just drop the topic?
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