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  1. Thasmodious

    Cynicism of an AD&D refugee

    This "less options" nonsense has to die. In 3e, most of those 'more options" were mechanically nonviable. They were terrible choices to make. They existed solely because of the "free" multiclassing system but without a heavy dose of rules mastery, novice and even experienced players could...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    Ah. I still haven't actually seen the swordmage. But I do have to take this to task, meant to mention this earlier - Do you mean mechanically it doesn't work for the concept or mechanically wizards/fighters are weak? Because if its the second, I'd have to disagree. One of the first...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    Since eldritch knight fit him in 3.5, I'd say swordmage is your straight answer, and that still gives you room to multi to pick up some other avenue that fits.
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    I completely missed that as well, nice work Cadfan. I was too focused on doing the concepts at low levels.
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    They did - we call it 4e.
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    That one is tricky. The factotum is a class designed within the 3e system, a class built for the rules mastery subset. That's why the CO guys loved it so much. That said, I see a few ways to go about it. Doppleganger as a race is a start, and with the +2 int and cha, it will work well with...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    No. Imagination has never been divorced from gaming. What got us new editions was a desire by game companies to remain game companies and game designers desire to eat and interpose a barrier between rain and their bodies. Gaming, like anything else, evolves. The industry as a whole learns...
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    What class are you least likely to play in 4e?

    Paladin. I've never liked the paladin in any edition. I don't get the wizard hate though, wizard and fighter are my favorite 4e classes. They've always been my favorite classes, and in 3e they were on opposite ends of the power spectrum. I'm happy they are in line and they kept the...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    Several pages have rolled by and there is just too much, so I'll sum up. Seems to me a few of your (rem and exploder) are stuck on the idea that concept = things 3e had names for that 4e doesn't. That's not the case. Generally, and speaking very generally as inspiration comes in many forms...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    So you are now telling us that your entire line of argument in this thread is completely baseless? We could have told you that a while ago and saved you the trouble of posting. You're not arguing against 4e, as you claim, you're simply arguing against D&D in all its forms. Choose another game...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    PHB pg 55: A power’s flavor text helps you understand what happens when you use a power and how you might describe it when you use it. You can alter this description as you like, to fit your own idea of what your power looks like. Your wizard’s magic missile spell, for example, might create...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    I've never, in my near 30 years of playing D&D, heard any player exclaim "lighting bolt and fireball are exactly the same thing, just one is in a line and the other a circle" but that is exactly what you are doing. By your stretch, every damage dealing spell in every edition of D&D is really...
  13. Thasmodious

    Your Second Love

    Shadowrun for me. I was never particularly in love with the mechanics, but the blend of fantasy and the short future was very appealing and the flavor and detail of the gameworld was very well done, all the way down to having its one slang. My group played it for quite some time. Others...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    Reflavoring is a core part of the ruleset for 4e, so its perfectly valid. That's one space efficient way 4e has of creating a lot of versatility, putting it in the hands of the players. I'm avoiding answering these with "just make a new class" as you could say that for anything, but minor...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    No, it's you who missed the point. I addressed all that in the OP. RAW doesn't matter. This isn't a thread for RAW. The question was not the one you suggest. It was "how can we do in 4th some things we did in previous editions that are not available in core 4e. We don't need a whole thread...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    Practical advice? Use one of the excellent HR druids Enworld posters have made. :) To answer the question for this thread - Make a cleric. Change the source (which has little mechanical use as of yet, anyway) to Primal. You have the healing, wear non metal versions of armor. Reflavor some...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    Vyvyan answered this well. That's how you bring a concept to life - in any edition. No rules system, not even the versatile 3e, can possibly cover every concept with its own set of unique mechanics. Stretching things to fit varying concepts is a core part of character creation in any RPG. 3e...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    Yes, that's why I addressed that in the first post. "I called my PC who uses longsword and shortbow in 3e a rogue so he must be a rogue in 4e" is largely missing the point. We're looking to see how a concept fits into the 4e system, not getting hung up on nomenclature. A lot of it could be...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    No doubt old school polymorphing is gone, and with good reason. It was one of the sources of the most break and the most headache and largest set of sub rules in 3e. However, polymorphing does exist already in 4e and would be quite doable for a PC. Lycanthropes do it, as do dopplegangers...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    Reflavor them. Hit points aren't direct damage, so subtracting them doesn't have to involve flashy explosions and rays. Make them subtle, mental, internal. Make ample use of your utilities. Wands say "any encounter power", so wands of jump or shield would be nice. Learn both alchemy and...
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