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  1. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game??

    It's not a gameplay issue, its in the system. The conclusion you draw when evaluating the game systems is that, in 3e, the class/level relationship has shifted. Levels are a commodity in 3e, and at each one you choose a class. It's step 1 in the level up rules. The multiclassing rules are...
  2. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game??

    It was THE fundamental shift of 3e. In all other editions, class defined the character. In 3e, it was a suite of abilities. Adding barbarian1 at 8th level had nothing to do with being a barbarian, it had to do with the speed boost, rage, hit points, etc. In previous editions, you didn't...
  3. Thasmodious

    Disappointed in 4e

    By 'now', I assume you mean, since the 70s. Those bastards!
  4. Thasmodious

    Dungeon 156: Last Breaths of Ashenport - Treasure?

    Just plug in the parcels for the PCs where ever it seems appropriate. I would like to see adventurer designers just drop treasure, unless tied specifically to story, from the design altogether, or just include notes on appropriate locations for parcels rather than leaving in stuff I'd just have...
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    4E and "Old School Gaming" (and why they aren't mutually exclusive"

    There's a world of difference between contrasting the validity of save or die mechanics from edition to edition and referring dismissively to discussion on an edition to be "mouth noise". You know this. Discussing and contrasting differences is valid and productive. Being told you're...
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    4E and "Old School Gaming" (and why they aren't mutually exclusive"

    I guess you should just get used to having any attempt to discuss 4e with other 4e players be dismissed by a certain group of posters as "mouth noise" and the game then attacked as a "greedy marketing ploy" and a "boardgame' and any opinion to the contrary being dismissed as "delusional". For...
  7. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game??

    Those are individual items. I was talking about character concepts. Of course some individual spells change, they do in every edition. If that's cause to say a new edition is an entirely new game, then every edition is a new game. I don't see it that way. If nothing changed, there wouldn't...
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    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    I agree with this in general, I just think getting bogged down in a highly subjective argument on playability over a concept would be counter productive. There are few builds possible within a system that are actual outright mechanical failures. One could argue that, for example, in 3e, a...
  9. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: PC concept limitations in 4e

    Forked from: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game?? I don't find this to be true at all. When I first got my hands on the 4e books, I made a couple dozen characters, at various levels (usually built versions of the same character at 1st, 6th, 11th, and 21st), just to get some...
  10. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game??

    That's really irrelevant, though. Someone could consider rafting a core element of D&D gameplay because all their games have featured a heavy rafting element because their DM is a river guide. D&D has never hidden what its about. It states it clearly in the introductions to every editions...
  11. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game??

    I don't think the core of D&D has changed at all over the editions. Two editions made bold jumps in mechanics and mechanical philosophy - 3 and 4. Both still maintained core D&D gameplay. D&D is not just fantasy RP, it is a particular niche of fantasy RP, one that assumes the existance of a...
  12. Thasmodious

    Disappointed in 4e

    Personally, I find the decision to spread certain "core" things around a series of core books to be pretty sound business strategy and not some evil, soul deadening move of unadulterated greed. I'd rather spend my $30 on a MM4 that has monsters I've actually heard of and would like to use...
  13. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game??

    Allow me to emphasize a part of my previous post -
  14. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game??

    Meh. 3E wasn't D&D to a significant portion of players at release either. We'll see where we are in a year. Here's the list to determine if the version of D&D you are playing is, in fact, D&D (this list is definitive and cannot be contested in any court of law)- Are there dungeons? Are...
  15. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game??

    That's why I said *I think*, but thanks for the redundant clarification.
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    Who got Psionics in my Dnd?

    I don't know the history of psionics, but I'm with you on not seeing them as part of my view of traditional fantasy. Never used psionics in my games.
  17. Thasmodious

    We don't have the 15 Minute Adventure Day Problem

    I think we often overestimate our own experiences, especially in gaming circles. Many of us that have been at it for 28 years, like myself, actually have a fairly narrow view of the overall gaming universe. How many of us have played most of our gaming 'careers' with much of the same group, or...
  18. Thasmodious

    Disappointed in 4e

    I, too, agree with said point. In 3e, to answer the sorcerer problem, I did away with sorcerer (this was after Complete Arcane came out and gave me the idea) and specialization for wizards. The Wizard class became always a general practitioner and I divided the sorcerer into specializations...
  19. Thasmodious

    Forked Thread: Disappointed in 4e; 4e upgrade or new game??

    Upgrades, and I think each edition of D&D has been an upgrade. The edition improves on what came before, makes numerous changes, a few experimental, and in a bit less than a decade it upgrades again. There may well be an upgrade ceiling, a point at which the pen and paper RPG has tapped the...
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    To all D&D fans - what are the top 3 specific changes 4e needs in your opinion

    1. Enchantment, illusion, and necromancy return 2. More feats 3. DDI Tools
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