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The paladin's kinda a special case, I admit as he's intended to use his surges for his +leader feature as well as his defender toughness. The thing is, while surge triggers in combat are limited, they're unlimited outside; the mechanics that give you defender-level hp in combat may or may not...

Tony, I was counting the surges, as those count in terms of daily hps. My calculation was HPS + (SURGE VALUE * NUMBER OF SURGES).

It's not actually -that- weak if you study the other secrets of the Academy (the White Lotus academy, that is). But clearly the intent is that the power does extra damage to all targets.

Night, but not actually impossible. We might not be at cross purposes here; my point was that the right way to deal with the "I'm at range, you can't hit me" aspect of a ranged defender is that the "I'm at range" bit should be factored into their defenses (at least against melee) -- rather than...

Well, it depends, doesn't it? If you're using a daily power that lasts until its killed (which was what I specifically mentioned), then the lifetime of that is your limit. If that lifetime is about the difference between your staying power and that of a more standard defender (more or less)...

How does this (being never attackable) come about? Is there some magical state where opponents cannot break away from melee combat and charge you? I'm a bit confused here; it seems like the primary means of attacking ranged attackers is to force them into melee; is that not your experience?

A 10th level feature doesn't work for me; it unbalances the paragon tier and make the class a non-defender for Heroic. The more I think of it, the more I think overloading Daily powers is the right way to go. Dailies are the lifeblood of a working wizard; they're where the wizard's "we win...

I think the Abjurer as written is still basically a better wizard than the wizard--with no drawbacks (unless you use the defender features), and three free feats associated with the Apprentice Mage feature, why would anyone -not- take Abjurer as their secondary school? I think you're better off...

@Tony Vargas: Obviously, the ranged controller needs to draw attacks to themselves. But my approach -still- draws attacks to the ranged controller; it just means some of the difficulty is them getting out of melee with the other party members to do that. There's nothing wrong with that...

Tony Vargas Re "and that's not really a defender anymore" -- sure it is. Think about what a defender -actually- does, not the way they typically work. A defender (in addition to anything else they may be doing) has a limited control ability that focuses on superior defenses -- and forces the...

There's at least one errors -- the Order Adept gets to learn wizard utilities "of a certain level" (pretty clearly this lacuna was intended to be set before printing). Also, while it's not an error, exactly, the Order Adept utility is arguably more useful for characters multiclassing into...

I like the idea of an Abjurer defender wizard; nicely done. But I don't see any reason the ward needs to be attackable--at all. If it is, the system for making it attackable is far too complicated. But really, for a wizard defender, his weakness is really simple: it's the wizard. All the foe...

GM, that's not a disproof; that's an anecdote. And it's an anecdote involving the most accurate classes in the game, plus a warlord who's not bothering to make attacks most of the time. There have been long, long threads with lots of math -and- examples showing that the high level math was...

Ok, abilities like Invigorating Strike are a good point re BoR and allies--that specific power is clearly designed only with the assumption that you're hitting an enemy with it. Are there examples that can't be fixed by saying "all attacks where the target is stated as "one creature" should be...

No, for multiple reasons. The first is that if you have monsters doing pitiful damage, and PCs missing, fights get very long and boring. Basically, PCs missing = boring. Monsters doing insignfiicant damage = boring. For that matter, monsters being overlevelled so they can do damage means the...

Yep. My issue is that the ability to enforce at a distance is a big deal, as it ups your defenses relative to a typical defender. But I think a fighter build with, say, prof in hide and striker HP but with a mark that could punish on range (but not trigger on shifts), plus a bunch of ranged...

Tony: depends on what you mean. A defender is useless if they cannot defend against melee enemies. But I see no reason for the character to be effective in melee. Being at range -is- a defense against melee -- so it's ok for the character to not want to be in melee as long as they have good...

Um, no. The "you are aware of effects you are under" clause works on auras, too; players and NPCs should be aware of (and informed of) auras they're in and what their effects are. In the story, you're in an area of bright light, and you better believe you're aware that if you stay here...

I'd get rid of the full discipline rules text (which is already there, the problem is that it prevents him from using the movement powers when dazed, etc). But I'd probably also run the character stylistically more or less as if he they were full disciplines, just because it amuses me.

Er...yes, they do. The character that was hit by the effect knows what the effect is and what it does, because you are always aware of effects you are under and how they work. The characters blinded are aware of what blinded them; the flavor is blazing light coming from a single source! And...