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Exactly what I was getting at (other than feeling 3e should have never been written :) ). That particular legacy is something I could definitely live without. An epic demon lord will always have the ways and means to get around the cosmos in my games.

I'm not talking about powers. I'm talking about what a monster can do outside of combat. The MM stats are not the end all of the monster any more than the stats are the end all of the PCs. I think you missed what I was getting at. PCs at that level can teleport with rituals. Epic demon...

Short answer - yes. Any class/role combination is workable. Would your group in some trouble if just cracked open a module and ran it as is? Yes. But modules should always be adapted to groups anyway. They're built around a default assumption. In 4e, that is 5 players and all roles...

Rule 0 is as old as gaming. And in 3e, the DM was expected by his players to adhere to the same rules they were, since that was part of the point of the system. Monsters/NPCs had to use the same feats as the PCs to do the same things. The system was designed with the idea that the world...

I did no such thing. You made posts on a public forum. I'm responding to those. You do realize other people saw those, don't you?

You can't say 'us', andor. You hated 4e months before release and were arguing all over the 4e forums about every snippet of information that came out, while sometimes ending a post with a nod towards "seeing when it comes out". You were one of the people I had in mind when I said that.

There is no one claiming Graz'zt can't teleport to another plane or thousands of miles away. But that is not a combat ability. The monster stat blocks present combat abilities. Battlefield teleportation is a combat ability. Where some of the disconnect is, is that 4e tells DMs to service the...

That's the million dollar question. But many of the group that could be classed as the "haters" have hated 4e since months before its release. A single detail or two that became known early was their first reason (powers, frost giants, 1-1-1, etc), but it snowballed as more things became...

The "real" source isn't what you think it is. It's the same source that happened at the release of each and every other edition. You could stat up the "haters" as a PC class, they would have maintained more consistency through the editions than the actual classes in the PHBs. I never called...

The focus on the game is no more on combat than it always has been. Combat has always been the central area of concern for D&D. The only difference with 4e is that the rulebooks don't include a designer approved set of extra subsystems (that have changed from edition to edition) to deal with...

Heh. How many times did we see that exact same post (except a -1 to the numbers) when 3e came out, word for word, just replace WotC with TSR and add in a few references to the evil takeover that will end RPGs forever?

Bad. I've disliked psionics since they first came to be, never my flavor for fantasy gaming. 3e did nothing to change that. Mixed bag. I prefer melee characters, always have. My biggest problem was 3e was how much melee characters sucked. That Tome of Battle went a long way to fix it was...

35, started with OD&D, played every version, play 4e now. Will play 5e.

I'm happy to let you have your opinion. Just let us discuss topics and issues of 4e without the snide, snarky edition comments in every thread in which we attempt to do so. There can be peace among our peoples. And I'm not referring 'irda ranger' with you 'you' no more than you (I assume)...

Thank god that isn't an option this time around... :eek:

Broadband not so much, but computer related expenses, certainly. If you use your computer just to watch video, d/l music illegally, and surf, then you don't need anything besides a bare bones system with onboard graphics. If you use your computer for gaming, gaming results in a stream of...

I understand rose colored glasses and the view they give you of history, but there are already links in this very thread to archives from the time of what it was like. You can do your own searches. Most of the community came around by virtue of actually playing the game. Same thing will...

But that's all on you. Not the game. D&D hasn't ever made players play above the mechanics, only encouraged it. 4e goes a long way to encouraging it with the flavor text for powers and abilities, to help players visualize what they are doing. Did you play 3e like this: Fighter: Uh, my...

D&D 4e Shadowrun 3e Paranoia Blood Bowl (not technically an RPG, I know, but its in the ballpark, especially the way my friends and I used to play it) hmmm.. Either Star Wars: Saga or Top Secret S.I. Probably SW, the choice of Top Secret might be too nostalgia driven. We played it in our mid...

Yes, all those are completely new, so we have no idea of their impact on the game long term. Dungeon Tiles were just developed yesterday and no such products existed or were used throughout the 80s. Miniatures are a new concept (how did they come up with the idea to shrink fantasy figures...