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Only have time for a quickie: I'm sorry, that's not what I meant to imply. What I meant was that if 'retrying' a spot is a move action, then a person could make two retries a round as a double move. So taking 20 retries would be 10 rounds of double moves.

Thanks to Feadin, I was able to look it up. While I can't find my 2e FF, my MM2 shows a "qullan" on p. 74 of FF. Oh, I found this at the Magnificent Online Monstrous Database.

Well, then I suggest you tell us why you disagree, rather than post some snippy comment. Now hobo said why. I happen to agree with him. @ hobo: I've always presumed that once you snipe, you automatically lose any hide bonus you may have gotten beforehand (like distraction).

Except let's remember, as Herzog pointed out, that P2 does indeed have cover from P1 according to RAW, so no AoO. Now, I personally don't count corners as part of a border, but that's not RAW. Unfortunately, veg doesn't seem to want to comment about that.

There's always Mama Troll and Baby Troll;) Hobo's right (again). They aren't very bright, so you have to be careful that any associates aren't smarter than them (and subsequently controlling them). IME, often Trolls, like Ogres, are extra muscle for a group of bad guys. I like the idea of...

We had a group try almost exactly that. I was one of two druids in the party but the only one to say "No way." IIRC, this was 2e, or a homebrew, with the awesome Entangle spell. I entangled the party and threatened them to leave. They came back. I entangled them again and killed the leader. They...

Ignore this thread. I have reposted it as a poll. Would someone who has the ability please delete this thread?

irdeggman pointed out something I thought was interesting in the Rules Compendium (p. 92): So how do you 'see' this: You fail a spot check to see a hidden creature. The creature does nothing and you make another spot check in it's location (or multiple spot checks or take 20). Would you give...

Try this thread. "Optimize my Two-Weapon Fighter Tempest" Also, in case you were not aware, the term 'optimize', or some form of it, in a search will lead you to various builds.

Or to put it even more directly comparatively: Would you rather have Lightning Reflexes giving you +2 to Reflex Saves Or +2 to Dex. Sure you get only +1 to Reflex, but you also get +1 to AC, attack (if you're finessing), and a host of useful skill check bumps. In 2e I always threw in magic...

Also from Complete Scoundrel, there's the skill trick Assume Quirk which may be what you're looking for.

Ignore this thread. I have reposted it as a poll. Would someone who has the ability please delete this thread?

I'm sorry, ir, but there are several problems with your post. From your earlier post Presume that a 20 does eventually succeed (since technically the above rule is wrong if even a 20 would not succeed, e.g. a +5 Spot vs. a DC 30 hide check). Yes, you will auto-fail, but you would also...

Thank God our old math teachers aren't around. *SMACK*

So, if you don't mind me picking your brain, what would you consider as a single fact? Part of the problem I am seeing right now is that in a world I'm playing, what I want to know is not what the DM tells me. For example, I want to know about special defenses or attacks but I don't often get...

I personally allow the multiclassing if it's into another class that is similar or 'fits.' For example, if you wanted, I would allow a Paladin to add Cleric and level in both, but not Ranger or Druid, etc.

Oh, I don't have a problem with the Wiz tossing around fireballs or such to level the town. But the idea that he can kill hundreds of villagers within a 1000 ft. radius with a single spell (provided he can see them), well that's simply not cricket!

Even though Irdeggman sort of corrected himself here I want to clarify the definitive statement. You can take 20 on a Spot check. You just have to live with the consequences of your actions as the DM sees it. Take as an example, you are viewing the enemy fortress from the distance. You take 20...

LOL. I can't believe I did that.:blush: After all, the discussion in this thread, which I started, is about PA being doubled with TH! BTW, unless I'm sadly mistaken, an 18 STR is +4. So TH, the bonus is +6, not +9. So it would be +6 for STR and +10 for TH.

Correction: that's 1080 feet!:) This is an even better argument than debating over the wording. How many NPCs would survive if the evil Wizard walked into some village and cast this. Even if they all saved. Yikes!