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We've already seen that a fighter can use a shield in ways other classes can't - Tide of Iron lets a fighter push an enemy backwards with each hit, if the fighter has a shield to shove with.

u need tank?

What's with the pointy ears on all those old-school-tiefling pictures? I thought they were demon-human hybrids, not demon-elf.

...huh. I could've sworn it had requirements much like Arcane Trickster and that Surprise for the Dead didn't last so long. I wonder if he changed it since I first read it, or if my memory just sucks. ^_^;;

The guy who writes Order of the Stick did that: http://www.giantitp.com/Func0015.html I like it, except it has the same problem as Arcane Trickster where you have to take 8 levels of painfully suboptimal multiclassing before you qualify. Shadowbane Stalker has the advantage of being entered a...

You might be right, especially if the ranger melee powers are all strictly two-weapon oriented. He does need Nature training, I think, but it could come from a plain Skill Training feat.

If I do it, I'll post pics. I'm not really sure if my hatred of the 4e tiefling art will quite manage to overcome my innate horror of damaging books, though. Even though it would really be an improvement, not damage. It's just an ingrained reflex for me.

Conan was always an awkward fit with the 3.x barbarian. I think in 4e you'll be able to do a very good Conan homage as a fighter with ranger training.

I think I'll find some good DiTerlizzi or similar tiefling pictures online, print them out, then paste them over the tiefling art in my copy of the PHB.

But issuing the divine challenge doesn't stop you from wearing armor or a shield, right? It doesn't remove your Dex/Int bonus to defense, which implies that you're still dodging or parrying attacks or otherwise actively trying to avoid getting hit. Zapping an enemy with eyebite every round...

Yeah, I'm puzzled by all the "they look different" rejoicing. They're both big red dudes with big toothy mouths and big red wings. So one is muscular and has a mullet and the other is scrawny and has a tail. That's not much of a distinction if you ask me.

What he said. I'm not a fan of D&Disms, personally.

Hey, it worked for Star Wars.

I am getting really sick of hearing this. If that's what you think 4e defenders are like, then you simply haven't been paying attention. The lead designer himself stated flat-out that fighters are the go-to class for dealing heavy damage in melee. Not rogues, not two-weapon rangers -...

Dude. Dude. I know it's an annoying feeling when you come up with a character concept that seems totally in-genre and balanced and then the rules fail to support it satisfactorily for no particular reason. That happens to me all the time. In 3.5, in Exalted, in the Street Fighter RPG, in...

I think a lot of that adoration has to do with how rare good tanks are. And the reason they're rare is that few people want to play tanks. Luckily, 4e defenders are not WoW tanks. I feel like a broken record saying this over and over, but 4e fighters are a strong damage-dealing class. They...

I didn't say Naruto isn't a magic-using character, I said that his role in fights is similar to a defender in 4e. I don't know what "everyone in that show uses magic" has to do with that.

The basic attack triggered when an enemy shifts is not an opportunity attack. Shifting is movement, but a kind of movement that doesn't provoke opportunity attacks. So the fighter gets an opportunity attack that stops movement when someone takes a regular move, and a basic attack that only...

We're not all size queens like you.

The title character in Naruto is frequently noted for his incredible endurance under severe beatings, refusal to give up especially when his friends are in danger, and powerful direct offense but somewhat clumsy sense of subtlety. He's not all big and burly, though.