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Oh, my mistake. I thought we were having a conversation, but it seems that you just want to argue at me. So I bow to your infallible knowledge and wisdom; enjoy playing D&D The Right Way. :yawn:

Though not exactly the same question, I'm going to pull a quote from Why Flexibility Advocates Like the Flexible Paladin because I think it'll help explain our position: Personally, I'm comfortable with any and all of the above. In 4e, I simply treat paladins as the in-your-face military branch...

Oh my no, gods don't hand out divine might 'just because.' There's nothing wrong with treating gods as employers who pay their employees with divine juice, but traditionally, D&D gods compete for followers because they depend on the prayers of the faithful. Depending on the campaign setting...

Erm, you're using AD&D as an ideal of game design? Clearly, you're not of our symmetrical tribe! ;) Even 3e is rife with irregularities, many but not all of them the result of treating 1st level as "Already [semi]competent." See: the Weapon Focus/Spec feat tree. All except WF come online at...

Ah, so you're using the Barbossa explanation. Well if you're still unsure how a chaotic paladin follows a code, there you are: he doesn't. He follows guidelines. According to many fans of the flexible paladin, at least. "Why would God X want paladins?" is like asking "Why would God X want...

100% agreed. :)

Gamers who like a flexible paladin class either: Treat chaotic codes as guidelines, Use a variety of codes, as appropriate for alignment and/or deity, Don't see the code as a necessary part of the paladin class, And/or just don't use alignment. This blog post might give you some insight into...

Wow, this thread is doing its very best to avoid the grave. Well, so long as its still here I'll use it to plug the Exemplar class for PF, a homebrew flex-paladin that I've been putting together with a couple of Paizo fans. It's not quite finished, but anyone interested should be able to get...

Wow, the placement really is terrible. I almost want to take back my earlier comment that 'The 5e guys probably don't not want players to use PB'...

And, as has been true since the dawn of our hobby, there's a relatively simple way to get around 'You must keep your stat rolls!'

Okay, stupid question: Where is the point buy table, anyway? I've searched the Basic pdf, and I can't find it.

The words 'pointlessly restrictive' come to mind. My first thought was 'Wow, 5e really doesn't want players using point buy!' But I think if that were true, it probably would've been buried in the DMG-to-come, or relegated to some later module. I guess the 5e guys think that making PB super...

I spent a good thirty minutes trying to express in words how this story makes me feel, but couldn't. So I'm just going to say: Thanks for sharing. :)

Yes, this. I saw the thread title, and thought "Does not compute!"

Isn't this how everyone reads rulebooks? ...I'm kidding. But not really. :lol: (But seriously, that is how I read rulebooks, and I get by okay!) If all else fails, just tell your neighbor "I've got a simpler game, I'll teach you that one for the sake of my own sanity." And fill in the blank...

Yeah, the "I don't want the DMG telling me to build to party level!" sentiment is always either a misconception (assuming the benefit of the doubt) or a strawman (assuming the worst) argument IMO. Maybe some gamers somewhere actually think that way due to poor reading comprehension, but nobody...

In the unlikely event that we get an official PS update, I'd be happy with either that long-awaited follow-up module, a fast-forward in the timeline that reinstates the factions, or to simply pretend the FW never happened. I myself am a fan of all-out reboots, though franchise-owners everywhere...

Haha, true enough. No, I think that's legitimate. What I meant by a DM 'dragging a character into the campaign' is feeling like s/he has to create all kinds of specific hooks just for that character whose player says 'My character has no reason to participate in this adventure/campagn.'...

Maybe, but you'll forgive me for assuming the worst. There are a lot of fans who oversimplify, exaggerate, misinterpret, and outright lie about 4e around here, and I've noted your critical opinions on 4e in the past. Unless Quickleaf's concise description of 4e's take on the BW is inaccurate, I...

That sounds like a great intro adventure! I haven't been advocating making the intro adventure less Planescapey; I simply haven't DMed PS much, so I honestly just suck at coming up with PSey plots. :( Yeah, players certainly need to be willing to buy into a PS campaign, even if they don't want...