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So true. :lol: 4e fans say "D&D is devolving into 3e!"; 3e fans say "Get those 4e mistakes out of my D&D!"; and OSR fans say "Ho hum, more new school WotC garbage." Bottom line: 5e ain't gonna unite anyone but its own little chunk of the D&D fanbase, just like every other edition.

Don't know if this portion is directed at me, but yeah, this is exactly my point. Asking forgiveness arguably has an advantage in other situations, in which the action in question is irrevocable, like "Sorry I borrowed your porsche without asking dad. My boss offered me overtime to come into...

I don't mean to imply that early D&D is RP-lite or any such nonsense, as that obviously depends on the players involved. The picture I've gotten from online discussions is that many players mistook the play style that early D&D is designed around. Many players who hadn't been playing since the...

Probably the delusion that 'Asking for forgiveness is easier than asking for permission.' ;)

Well, I'm not an authority on the early editions, but as I understand it they're best as logistical quasi-wargame adventures. (Which makes sense, D&D originally having grown out of wargaming.) Nab-the-loot, constant risk vs. reward analyses, with the ultimate game "win" being retirement to...

Very true; sometime a setting's theme simply demand that certain things be excluded. That said, you seem to take this much farther than I would: It's your campaign, so I won't tell you that you're wrong for strictly adhering to Roman mythology. But given all the crazy races and monsters in...

In 5e's case, the game seems to be evolving into a non-specialized form. Like the generalist bear. Which may turn out to be disastrous, if the ttrpg world is like Africa, where there are no bears because only specialists can survive. It'll be interesting to find out how long our gaming culture...

Pay to preview? I don't follow. I don't buy starter sets or beginner boxes, so maybe I'm missing an important difference?

Yeah, I've DMed enough editions that my bar for buying a new edition has gone from "I'll buy it just to see what the new edition's like!" to "Any new edition has to have something that my favorite edition doesn't already have for me to consider buying it." (And obviously it has to also be...

*yawn* I downloaded the last play test packet, and still haven't popped it open. I guess I can understand D&Ders who want to buy just to 'support the troops,' so to speak. But I don't have the pocket change to throw at a game I'm never going to DM.

This thread has been such a bizarre reading experience. Not to pick on Starfox, but I can't resist commenting: There is practically nothing in this post that fits my experience, or that I relate to. I respect your opinion, but it's just driven home to me how fundamentally different I am from...

I've always thought that summoning animals and having a permanent pet were the druid's lamer iconic features. "Yes, come fight the fire-wielders for me, so that we may free our forest home from..." *splat* "...You died well, fluffy, and luckily for me you are easily replaced!" For more...

How many successful rpg companies don't eventually revamp their games? 'PF 2e is on its way' was a poor choice of words on my part, because I didn't mean to imply that Paizo is about to sound the horns or anything. 'There will be a PF 2e at some point, unless Paizo stock spontaneously combusts'...

lol, which authority? I don't have authority; I have experience. With three separate editions (more if you count clones and sub-editions), with playing eight years of 3.x, and with many online forums. I can't give you the years of experience I have, but if you're interested in more than your own...

That's because you don't see a problem with your favorite edition. I've had a paizo forum account for years, and I still post there. If what you're insinuating were true -- that 3.x's issues aren't such a big deal to most D&Ders -- I'd expect the paizo forums to be free of all the debates we...

Heck yeah, IMO change for the sake of improvement is, well, improvement! Here, I'll ask a leading edition warrior question of my own: Is stagnation for the sake of nostalgia, often called tradition, automatically good? I guarantee you that 5e will be canceled in a few years, and there will be...

The following has always worked for me: 1. Ignore alignment restrictions other than the cleric's "Stay within one step of your deity's alignment." The rest are arbitrary, and get in the way of good role play. 2. If a PC is about to do something that clearly violates their alignment, give them...

For someone used to rationalizing 3e's quirks...mind you, I'm not up to date on 5e info, but I've heard it called AD&D 3e, so ya never know. *shrug*

I feel like I'm about to tell a kid there's no Santa, but...have you heard the term 'edition warrior'? We all tend to rationalize and work around the gamey parts of our favorite games -- even patently absurd things like hit points and damage. For example I can easily explain anything you find...

Wow, I...I don't know what to do with that. Any chance these players were teens, or children? If not, I think you just have terrible luck. I'm sorry you had to put up with that nonsense. :( Also, what N'raac said. I'm kind of amazed you didn't eject them yourself.