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Lost my post, dang nabbit... (Yes, I know, I should do my posts in Notepad and, believe it or not, my last 3 posts were all done that way which is why I didn't loose them either. I just thought the boards were back up to speed and let my guard down...) Barsoom, I'll reply to you once I feel...

Ah, I think you are misunderstanding. In-Depth Rules Lawyer is indeed what I do call myself... In-Depth: A play-style leaning towards the immersive. Rules Lawyer: Stickler for the rules. IDRL GM: Having selected, altered, and created rules for the purpose of creating a specific game-world...

Ahgh! No! Don't cry for me, Canada! Seriously, I meant to deter this issue in my last post to you; the boards running slow prevented me from doing so expediantly. No worries, assuming you see my point (even if you don't agree with it).

Ah, see, here we have two factors that are colliding into the effect we're trying to describe here... 1. The concept that experienced gamers will fill in the details on their own leads to the minimalist approach of discribing the possibilities for the new gamer. 2. The "D&D is kewl" image of...

No, I figured you were calling Milotha an Elitist to bug Milotha. But it is a name that's been tossed at me at the WotC Boards (and thus why I consider it "name calling") and so I tend to jump on it when it comes up. If we're going to go with labels, though, rather than name calling, I'll take...

Yep, this would indeed be the heart of the matter. And I would agree if the opposing stance was the role-play is ancillary & unnecessary to play Dungeons & Dragons. All I'm really disagreeing with is the idea that a lack of role-playing still equates to a Role-Playing Game (see my pending reply...

That's pretty much what I was thinking... My own thoughts on Gestalt would be to use them for "themed" games. For instance, I might say "This game is heavily psionic; you're all Gestalt, but one of your classes every level must be either a Psionic Class, Psychic, etc.", or an "Aristocrat" game...

That's kewl... At the very least, I'd like to include this in the post-Apocalypse Aedon material (no rush, we're a few real-world months away yet); I'd happily host an OGL-compliant copy (properly accredited and copyrighted to you, of course) on my site when you're done (which would save folks...

Hmmm... I don't know about this. A Paladin with 11 Bonus Feats doesn't sound very powder-puff to me. Perhaps, with most of the by-level numerical gains (BAB, Saves, Hit Point, etc.), it doesn't look like much, but there's no way the character could possibly be slouching in the damage-output...

But who's saying this? I've kept up with this thread since the beginning, and the only time something this rediculous comes up, it's coming from the "rules are just fine as they are" camp. Which, consequently, makes it hard to feel like this thread is gaining any progress in regards to mutual...

This is the method I've used with new players for years; has always worked splendidly for me.

Y'know, I know you were replying to Milotha, but to this... I gotta say, I love it when someone resorts to name calling. I'd also like to take this time to say that being called an "elitist" bugs me about as much as being called "greedy" bothers Donald Trump. In other words, I've earned it...

Of course, one might wonder why people aren't hunting the forums looking at the material people have posted and asking for that material to be expanded on (if possible) and OGL'd for inclusion. It kinda strikes me as a no-brainer to find the talented hobbyist (no, no... I'm too busy with my...

But it's not about rules for role-playing; it's about encouragement to role-play. I'll give you a specific example: Compare the flavor-text on your average Kit in a 2E product to the flavor-text on your average Prestige Class for a 3E product. Not the rules, here; just the fluff. Consider...

Kinda like visiting a 2E forum and mentioning 3E? ;)

Well, if you wrote a game based on Fiddler on the Roof, how much combat would you include? Having not seen the game, though (for that matter, I don't remember ever hearing of it), I'm going to make a minor assumption that it does, yet again, give weight to my stance: The same rules, provided...

Honestly, I'm going to say no. By that I mean that the Storyteller rules and the general themes they promote would remain whether they were producing World of Darkness or Mary Poppins (although I'm sure their popularity is definately related to WoD ;) ).

From Dragonlords of Melnibon'e (d20, Chaosium, page 41)... Generally, I'd just pick a minimum value and then, when you include such a thing, determine how much you want it to be worth.

At the same time, what disproves that theory only verifies mine: That the rules, provided in a context that promotes role-play, will promote role-play, where as rules that are presented in a context void of role-play, won't. Even the name ("Storyteller") speaks for itself.

Actually, I'm not complaining about campaign conditions (I'm a major fan of them, as my non-Elf/non-Cleric campaign is testimant to)... I'm just pointing out that, for a role-playing game, it's kind of ironic that character design, combat, and mechanical restrictions (where applicable) are...