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    Why do we put each other in boxes?

    Just FYI, but this is going to be the thread where we all despair about being the poor innocent victim and it's everybody else who did wrong. Gosh, I sure do wish we could all get along... and people would just not argue with whatever I said... :erm:
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why (and how) 5E can succeed

    I assure you that this background is exclusive to 4e-FR. In basic 4e/Nentir Vale it's left undefined. Same for 4e Dark Sun. In 4e Eberron they have some dealings with devils but Asmodeus does not exist (and it's not entirely clear if "devils" refers to the D&D category or just fiendish beings...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why (and how) 5E can succeed

    Funny, I remember back in the day grognards complaining on mailing lists that TSR had ruined the planes with this Planescape setting and their silly new politically correct names for daemons and devils and the like. I vividly remember one snarky email asking "if T$R is going to rename cows to...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why (and how) 5E can succeed

    Apologies, since you mentioned being "descended" from human "stock" I took it that you thought that 4e had retained the whole breeding thing. You are, however, still inaccurate when claiming that 4e tieflings descended from "devils instead of any kind of fiend". As it happens the dark powers are...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why (and how) 5E can succeed

    Not quite accurate, as 4e tieflings aren't the result of a sexual union between mortals and fiends of some sort, but rather they're the (cursed) descendants of a human kingdom whose nobility struck a deal with an undefined group of "dark powers". Not that this detracts from your argument or...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why (and how) 5E can succeed

    It should be noted that others, such as myself, dislike hit dice based healing because it isn't like 4e. I don't mean the randomness aspect of a die, I mean first that all healing in 4e is built with the healing surge framework in mind. Healing scales primarily as a percentage of the recipient...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why Balance is Bad

    I hasten to repeat what I said in the initial post that sparked this tangent: "All based on the latest version of the rules as we know them, of course." I make no claims about the final product here. It's all entirely possible that when Next is released it will be completely devoid of any such...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why Balance is Bad

    As Pemerton said, you need 20 Cha and 18 Con (or vice versa). You get +8 from ability score improvements due to levels, not counting racial bonuses (which typically is another +2). What you call "insanely hard" I call "trivially easy" or even "automatic" if we're using the standard array or...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why Balance is Bad

    When I said "anything" I misspoke, I should've said "the total bonus". Apologies but I thought it was clear enough at the time. You will note, though, that I also pointed out the maximum on ability scores myself so it's not as if you didn't know that I knew. I dislike the style of cutting up...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why Balance is Bad

    I hate to burst your bubble, but this is really not what Next is doing (thus far). First, the despite all the claims of "bounded accuracy", there is no actual hard cap on anything. The difference between bonuses can go quite a bit further than just a +1 or +2. Skill expertise alone can give a...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)

    In your defense (yeah, flip-flopping like a champ here!) the mage I made wouldn't be possible with just the first PHB. The mage is possible in 4e, meaning the state of the edition as it currently stands. A lot of people were put off 4e by their first impressions back in 2008 and aren't aware of...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)

    I was the one who made that non-lethal mage and it was in response to Marshall, backing up his own response to GM when he claimed you couldn't make a 4e mage with more than half non-damaging powers. Just want to set the record straight, it wasn't done to prove anything about your diviner. The...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)

    Yes, but you can't exclusively take such spells. In addition to spells with little to no combat value you would also have spells with some to exclusive combat value. This was done intentionally. (Although strictly speaking you don't have to take powers so you can refrain from learning some...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)

    The assertion by GM was that he "couldn't make a (4e) wizard and have half his powers not cause damage" on a bet. This is a 4e wizard and all his powers don't cause damage. I never said I'd make a wizard who never had any attacks at all. And really, that is kind of the point of 4e. A lot of the...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)

    Let me show you. ====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ====== Examplor the Pacifist, level 5 Human, Wizard Arcane Implement Mastery Option: Staff of Defense FINAL ABILITY SCORES STR 11, CON 15, DEX 14, INT 19, WIS 10, CHA 10 AC: 20 Fort: 17 Ref: 19 Will: 17 HP: 46...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)

    If you view an increase in hit points, BAB, and saves to be "non-combat" elements (which is by no means a given) then yes, you can go out of your way to make a non-combat Wizard. And by the same warped perspective somebody could make a non-combat Fighter, by dumping physical stats and wasting...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why Balance is Bad

    I have to second this. I've seen a lot of debates about balance (both about D&D and other RPGs) years before 3e was even announced. Overpowered RIFTS classes, abusive tricks with Celerity in V:tM, complaints about the Unearthed Arcana classes, the list goes on. I'm pretty sure the term "Monty...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)

    I think there's a bit of an excluded middle here. This is not a black and white scenario where the only options are playing a role kind of as an improv actor would and a walking character sheet. There is quite a lot of spectrum in between. More importantly, this is a complex matter that allows...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Why the claim of combat and class balance between the classes is mainly a forum issue. (In my opinion)

    Alright. I agree with you that the animal gets somewhat less feats than certain classes and lacks access to a few feats of questionable worth. But if you're upset that someone couldn't divine that meaning out of the words "lacks feats", and your phrasing of "good grief" suggests that you do...
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