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I absolutely agree that there is nothing wrong with some reasonable power gaming. In fact, 3.x very much encourages it, imo. I have often found that once in a blue moon if you let your players go with truly egregious stats (read, egregiously high, not low)...that they'll get a lot of it out of...

I'd actually do the same thing, only apply it to some small rodent that seems to live among the spiders, immune to their venoms. Edit: Actually, that's not true at all, I'd kill the player off. But "if" I were going to help with a way out, I'd go with the idea above (good idea, btw).

Ah yes, but of all the counter arguments that I feel have weight or validity in this thread, your's are not among them. So discounting what you're trying to twist my words to say, my statement stands.

I agree. I imagine the first time the developers who worked on the MM were asked "Hey, can a monk take Improved Natural Attack?" They just sat back and thought a moment, then a light went off overhead and they replied, "Well...yeah, I guess they could. Hmm, works for me."

I don't think either method encourages power gaming. Each method in its own way can help facilitate power gaming. However, ultimately a power gamer, is a power gamer. They will work within the establish rules (as far as they can stretch them) in order to squeeze out every advantage they can for...

I've not replied to much of what you've said, because I thought that, though you had stated a position in disagreement to my own, you were making a valid, logically stated point. However, in this instance, I have to disagree with you. There is absolutely nothing in the rules, that I am aware...

I've been silent for a few pages, but I figured I would sound off with the summary of why I think what I think... The wording in the PHB (and SRD) that says to treat a monk's unarmed strike as both natural and manufactured, blah, blah, blah... To me that sentence is specifically directing you...

I'm playing less now than I've played in years, only about once every 3 weeks (thankfully I've found a great group of guys to play with), but I'd like to play once a week if I could. Still though, I'm on my 4th D&D character in the past year. If you only rarely get a chance to play or haven't...

Illusionary set of two steps that have a 40' pit below them that is filled with water up to 10' deep and has slimy walls that are extremely hard to climb. Also, 10' above the waterline there is a veil of permanent darkness and silence. There's no place to secure a rope on the steps so the...

The fighter is more powerful now at higher levels than it's ever been. Largely because of the many feats and feat chains the fighter can access... As well as the fact that the fighter can dip into multiple other classes without notably slowing down their BAB progression. You could make a very...

Every "morning", I roll a d100 and I ask my to do the same. I note my roll in secret and collect their rolls. If anyone rolls my number +/- 1, then the fates have conspired against them in some minor fashion. At some point during the day, when the player describes a minor, inconsequential...

I would agree that this is one significant reason for the divide. I would be in that second category. At any one time I may have dozens of tenuous character concepts floating around in my brain. Once I roll stats and know how I can assign my stats, I'll start weighing which of those character...

I wouldn't use the term more or less cool. I would just sum it up as a general discontent with repetitive, cookie-cutter stats. Once, twice...fine, after that it gets old. Absolutely agreed. I always offer players an option for point buy if they want that. Definitely. I've used a deck of...

Many people seem to be taking the standpoint that stats matter more than anything...and using that position as an argument against allowing rolled stats and requiring point buy.

If you have to use a certain method of character generation to regulate the behavior of your players, then you have problems that go way above and beyond Point Buy vs. Rolling. My proclamations in favor of rolling for stats assume that you play with a group of honest, skilled, respectable...

I keep reading these examples (when stats are rolled) of the group having a character with all bad stats and at least one character with "straight 18s". I realize that both are exaggerations...however, in my experience, rolling for stats (depending on the method you use) has seldom produced a...

I'll take that over the cookie cutter repetition of playing the same stat block over and over. Sure, if you're new to the game or don't play that often...that's fine. But I've been playing long enough to have run through just about every concept that reasonably comes to mind. Because of the...

I'm of the opinion that if you need to institute rules like Point Buy just to keep your players in line, you may need to consider playing with a different group of people.

I definitely join these topics for the pleasure of the debate. There are some very sharp minds on this board, I like sparring with them. The truth is that while we've invested days and hundreds of posts (along with who knows how much research) into debating this subject...if it came up in the...

I've very much been toying with the idea of a Ranger/Fighter combo... Feats (in no particular order) Exotic Weapon Proficiency Bastard Sword TWF style for rangers Oversized Two Weapon Fighting Weapon Focus Bastard Sword Weapon Specialization Bastard Sword Exotic Weapon Master (with the option...