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I should have made it clear I was only talking about CoC. I own but have never played NBAs, so I wouldn't have felt competent to talk about its specific milieu. In CoC the point is, there's no special reason to have a melee weapon, especially since it means the character has to have two...

One of the reasons I'm glad I've never been fond of realtime games.

I just feel no need to give my neighbors quasilegal abilities to harass me because they don't agree with aesthetics or function. If they have a problem, talk to the city or county about it.

Wasn't any harder to just define magic armor that didn't impair mages. Absolutes are no more difficult to overcome with custom items than penalties.

That's pretty meaningless though; you can houserule any game in any fashion, but that doesn't say anything about what the game actually supports.

There might have been some specific exception for elves in OD&D. I can't speak of AD&D.

And I think that's bad design generally. You'd think so, but there's no exception made there. And I don't think either of those should be true. Penalties yes; absolute negation no. That's kneejerk simple in the second case and ridiculous in the first (a thief can't wear a chain shirt and...

Oh, there were all kinds of variations, but in general, there was always this sense that "mages shouldn't wear armor" (which as is typical with D&D, especially the earlier editions, showed a very selective reading of the source works mixed with some pretty specific game balance assumptions) and...

That's a lot more reasonable than the all-or-nothing thing that's usually been done. I think AGE applies an additional mana point cost for armor (and any untrained user has a defense penalty, since armor in that game reduces damage rather than modifying to-hit).

The problem with them in a lot of places is the degree to which the law restrains them is, shall we say, varied. Which means they're a strong vector for petty power plays by those in charge.

Of course you tend to get some weirdness in buildings with right angle corridors with hexes.

Its nothing you want to occur, but if you don't have your back to a wall or ally, its still something you have to account for happening, and the question of whether the squares turn that maximum into 4x or 8x is not trivial, and is still a change from the 6x with hexes. And of course what...

I consider that pretty absolute. If it just applied a failure change I think you'd have an argument. Far as that goes, I think you're wrong about OD&D; mages and thieves flat out weren't allowed to wear anything (mages) or anything but leather (thieves).

Not routinely. The only cases where they do is when there's either a long distance initial encounter distance, or when one side has an unassailable position (usually flight). Neither of those is the common case in my experience, and without it you can end up having a ranged weapon sit on your...

I don't know if they're "proper"--there were distinctly some problems with the first of these two, but if anything they were the opposite of being able to just roll over things--but the two 1-20 APs I played in were https://paizo.com/store/pathfinder/adventures/adventurePath/ageOfAshes and...

Yeah, but its not a mystery those are off the beaten path as GURPS approaches generally go.

That sounds probable. While PF2e has a lot of conditional attacks and such, if one's played 4e, there's no where near the amount of pushing targets around the battlefield; there's just enough to screw up their action economy by the combination of needing to get up and reclose (at least for ones...

While I agree with a lot of this, I think it underestimates the degree positioning matters for many character types in PF2e.

Ah, that explains it. The GM is putting things out that are downhill in AC. Yeah, that'd do it, but IME its not exactly a typical thing for all or at least most fights, and when there are such things out there, there tend to be rather a lot of them. Well, if most encounters are far enough...

No doubt. Its kind of a strange feeling for me to understand not being able to find players or GMs for a given game system because I spent much of my gaming career with access to a lot of players around who weren't wedded to one system (even D&D) so much they wouldn't try other things and...