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His alignment changes. The same 'person' who takes away a ranger's ability to dual-wield when he cuts his own arm off, or a wizard's ability to cast spells when he it knocked down to -21 hit points getting caught in his own fireball. It you don't have what it takes, you can't do it. No one...

I agree that the god can legislate extra rules for its paladins. And I guess that by legislating appropriately it can give itself power to dispense its own requirements in advance. But any code that it iimposes only places a requirement on the behaviour of the paladin. Additions to a code of...

Good point. We can't guarantee that windows in the original poster's world are anything like mediaeval windows*, but if they were this trick would be hard to pull off. Windows in most mediaeval buildings of everyday occupation (ie. not cathedrals, not the palaces of the very wealthy) were...

The rules use the indefinite singular "a paladin's code", not the definite singular "the Paladin's Code". While the plural "paladin's codes" would have been more explicit, I would have to accept that the rules allow that different paladins in the same setting to have different codes. On the...

It isn't a matter of anybody stopping them. It is a matter of there being limits to their powers. That there are such liimits is clearly shown by the fact that even a god cannot give paladin powers to a chaotic good character. By the rules as written, a paladin's powers don't come from his god...

Yes. First, why is it then that gods cannot make paladins of worshippers who are not Lawful Good? Is that a D&D rule, and if so where is it written?

Good point! I can definitely see that clause allowing a god in effect to add a codicil to the Paladin's Code. It wouldn't let the god suspend any part of the core code, but the god could impose extra requirements, and if the paladin habitually broke those provisions out of disrespect (rather...

Is that a house rule of yours, or an opinion on the rules of D&D? If the latter, what statement in the core books do you base it on?

So you think that I objectify my doctor? I don't know her, or really care much about her as a person. But if I need medical treatment I find the nearest doctor whose skills I trust and use them to get well. Same with my chiropractor, plumbers….

Well, supposing he loses that unwinnable battle. And gets killed. And his body is dismembered, mutilated, and destroyed. So of course he goes to Heaven. But his name is not forgotten, and in a decade or two someone tries to get him back with True Resurrection. Does he go back to the unending...

Outlawing it doesn't make it wrong, either.

Perhaps no god did. In Greyhawk there is a whole category of 'paladins by choice', distinct from teh paladins called by gods. The core rules allude to paladin's 'answering a call' and 'accepting a destiny', ut make no mention of their receiving their powers from a god. Cedric could well be a...

True, but by the same token the gods have no power either to define the paladin's code or to take away the paladin's powers. By the rules, the paladin's powers go away by themselves if he or she ever ceases to qualify as a paladin, wilfully does an evil act, or grossly violates the code of...

Can they? By the core rulebooks? I know they can by 'campaign rules' in Greyhawk (though not for all paladins) and in Faerûn, but Sir Cedric is not necessarily from one of those settings. I have launched a thread in the D&D Rules forum for this digression.

Is it a feature of the paladin class that the gods watch (and nag) them? Or do the gods also watch, for example, clerics, sorcerors, and rogues? And if so, why? I would have thought that paladins are teh class that needs least supervision--they are dependably lawful and good, and if they do evil...

Good point. My mistake. That's a Greyhawk variant rule, right? There's probably something similar in Faerûn, too, since there you can't be a paladin without a god. But nothing in the core rules?

Possibly. But a paladin still gets to cast divine spells even if he or she has no god to begin with. This suggests that paladins don't need gods' help to get divine spells.

G'day In the many and interminable threads that discuss whether a paladin ought to lose his or her paladin class abilities for having done something-or-other (and yes, I do my part to make them interminable) we often see many posters either posting that the decision depends on what the...

Don't you think it might be fun to try?

Hyperfine nit-pick, here. The job of the secular clergy was primarily to dispense the sacraments and to exercise jurisdiction (it was this latter that allowed them to absolve sins). They were also supposed to teach, but it was a tertiary role for the, As for the wandering friars (Franciscans...