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Excuse me, we must have clearly fallen into the house rules forum at some point. My bad. If you wish to ignore things, you are free to do so.

Yes, because when a rule statement goes against what you want to happen, it's too literal and should just be ignored. RAW is RAW because it's what is written. If you claim that RAI is different, fine, but you can't argue RAW by ignoring passages.

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Reading a number off a random number generator is not the same as getting the maximum number the random number generator can calculate. Programming example, I have an RNG[0,10] I don't have to invoke it to know that the highest number I can get is a 10. Vorpal triggers off of you calling the...

No, it is not, and just because you say so doesn't help your case. It says determine damage. It clearly says don't roll damage. Nothing implies that you treated it as if you had rolled maximum on the dice itself besides an assumption. It does treat it as a getting the max result on a damage...

It actually does: Extra Damage: Magic weapons and implements, as well as high crit weapons, can increase the damage you deal when you score a critical hit. If this extra damage is a die roll, it’s not automatically maximum damage; you add the result of the roll. Exception based design is why...

The problem is, it doesn't say that. It says determine the highest damage you can roll and use that amount. It doesn't say determine the highest damage you can roll and use that die roll. Counting out numbers is not the same as rolling dice. You have already gotten this far, keep up the good work.

It clearly says DON'T ROLL THE DICE. Rather than making irrelevant comments, why don't you actually address this point?

Oh? What about sneak attack, hunter's quarry, and the like? They are part of the damage roll. Just because they're random doesn't imply anything.

A damage roll is defined to be some multiple of your damage die + bonuses There is a difference between colloquial definitons and rules definitions. Feat, stat, racial bonuses aren't rolled, but they're still part of the rules definiton of damage roll. That is exactly what I'm implying since...

Crits use the damage roll rules because otherwise things would break. That doesn't mean crits trigger vorpal. I again refer to the "Rather than roll the dice" passage. Vorpal doesn't trigger off a maxed damage roll, but the actual 4 on a d4. This is also why when you roll 2d4, you roll again...

As far as I can tell, the two primary pros for rolling weapon damage again: 1. Maximized or not, you did a damage roll - True, but just because you did a damage roll does not mean you actually rolled the dice since the critical rules state that you just count up the max damage from the roll...

Um, no, that's the exact opposite. The general consensus is that it is not, both in this thread and wotc.

You can play the game however you like, that doesn't change what the rules actually say.

Depends on what you want to do. Supplementing wizard aoes with warlock damage could work, even though you suffer a bit from MAD. I personally think Warlock MC to Wizard is a better way to go, but that depends a lot on campaign level.

Yeah, if you try to scale large levels, the difference in damage die and hp start getting significant.

Ruthless Scoundrel works better, but Brutal Thug sounds redundant to me.

Alright, I did the math: d4s after gaunts of destruct + vorpal average 4.5 damage. A 7[w] attack on a noncrit deals 7[9] = 63 A 7[w] attack on a crit deals 7[8] + 6d12 = 95 That's assuming you don't get to reroll those d12s either. Hopefully, that puts to rest the noncrit beating the crit...

That example doesn't actually help his argument any. Nowhere does it suggest that critical hit is actually rolled, just that a critical hit takes into account all the factors in a damage roll. The bonuses are accounted for when you max the die on a critical hit, that does not imply that you...

Not to mention with enchant magic item, metal ores must be cheap and ridiculously easy to get. You can resize magical armor to fit any user. 1. Make tiny magical armor 2. Resize it for a tarrasque 3. Smelt it for ore 4. Profit That must drive ore prices down to the point where platemail is...