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Of course it is "good". Nobody believes that it would likely have had the kind of success it had if it was terrible. But while "good" may be necessary for the kind of unprecedented success, it is not sufficient. 3 is partially true, albeit put in a way that is deliberately disrespectful and...

The way to not discuss something on a public discussion forum is simply not to post. Making multiple posts laying down the law is not not discussing it. The problem with that in a 5e context is that 5e saves can quite easily be literally impossible, leading to durations which never end. Not...

This is not strictly accurate - saving throws were occasionally used in the first instance (for example when someone tried to push or teleport you off a cliff). No it did not, 3.5 did (or possibly 3.0 but I think it was 3.5 - certainly not 4e anyway). And 3.5 (like 5e) used the effect DC and...

Since it now appears that we do not disagree in any major way about the sequence of events, clearly neither of us understood what the other was saying initially. Continuing the argument now just so we can bicker about whose fault that was seems pointless. How about we let it drop? _ glass.

I indicated nothing of the sort. It was obvious to any 4e fan paying attention to the Legends & Lore articles that they were being thrown under the bus, and that was the "betrayal" I was referring to. _ glass.

TBF, saves in 4e were occasionally used in a "last-ditch way to save you after all else has failed", which as I understand it is more in tune with how saves were originally intended to work in OD&D than the general-purpose defence they evolved into by 3e. For example, if a power tried to...

I think it was very clear that WotC/Hasbro higher ups only cared about D&D as an IP factory, so Mearls and co got a free hand to do whatever as long as it did not cost too much. The fact that D&D could be successful enough as a game to please Hasbro took everyone by surprise. That is pretty...

I am not sure what you are trying to say here, but I think you are trying to mischaractrise my argument. To restate, if Palladium is finally winding down (I had no idea whether it was or not, but according to other posters apparently it isn't), it was most likely due to KS's advanced age rather...

Palladium Fantasy 2e came out in 1996 and Heroes Unlimited 2e in 1998. If no new edition since then is their "death throes", then this reinforces rather than rebuts my comment that they have been in them for a long time. (There was also Rifts Ultimate Edition in 2005, but that is not far shy of...

Paladium's been in its "death throes" for at least 20 years now. If it is finally giving up the ghost, I suspect it has more to do with Kevin Siembieda's age than any lack of evolution. _ glass.

They had Mike "shout their guts back in" Mearls as head of the design team. It seems like having an edition warrior in charge probably had more to do with the lack of overt 4e in the design than any commercial considerations. Note that in the early days of DDN they talked a lot about how there...

What 3.0 products came out after 3.5?

No. Next question? To expand slightly: Essentials is 4e. It is fully compatible withe 4e products that came before it, and the 4e products that came after it (and they with it). Not a new edition by any reasonable definition. _ glass.

See that list of steps you quoted; notice how "declare actions" is not one of the steps? _ glass.

If that is the criterion, then every edition except 5e has been a failure. Every edition of D&D other than the current one has been "dumped" as you put it, and 5e will retroactively become a failure when the anniversary edition comes out. Rather suggests that your methodology is flawed, no? And...

So, classes are all the same, but are also completely different and that is also a problem? :confused: 4e is the enemy. As long as you are criticising it, you are signalling to the world (or yourself) that you are on the "right" side. Whether those criticisms are factually accurate or even...

You roll initiative at the start. When your turn comes up, you take your action(s), choosing any particulars there and then. The details of what action you get (and your options for messing with the initiative order) vary a bit from edition to edition, but that much has been consistent for the...

It was the way the rules actually worked in 1e (AIUI - certainly in 2e). It is very much not how the rules work in any WotC edition - and if you have a houserule that completely upends the entire initiative and action declaration system, that makes your observations rather inapplicable to anyone...

Ah, so you were trying to pretend that 4e was the least successful ever, rather than the second most successful ever. I knew you were really, but I did not want to put words in your mouth. _ glass.

Well, ENworld did. I just clicked multiquote and then added my replies. Anyway, fixed now. _ glass.