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Should a framework be provided upon which to develop those concepts, that would be my ideal 5e. Options, options, options.

Nothing kills innovation more than absolutism.

Played 4e since launch and I've never seen a cleric. Warlords, bards, paladins, shamans and all manner of other multiclass-healers have come and gone, but nobody wanted to play ("be stuck with") a cleric. Cleric = healer in a lot of minds. Let's deal with that and move on.

Chilling.

If this is the feedback, I can hardly blame them.

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+1 data point for 'unity', I guess.

The cleric was originally modeled on Abraham Van Helsing, conceived to overcome a specific vampire (Von Fang, IIRC). Combat healing and disease mitigation were grafted on later. Considering that multiple decades of D&D have defined hit points as less wounds and more fatigue/plot damage, the...

No disagreement here. A menu of hundreds of powers (and magic items---essentially powers in themselves) to choose from tends to foster a char-op mindset that makes saves simple to overcome. Let's just say I would be pleasantly surprised if 5e wasn't yet another 'pick the best power/level' arms...

The concept of a non-cleric healer (ahem...leader) was so appealing that the Warlord was my first class---and the only one I played until 30. I'd hate to see it go---especially in some nod to tradition.

And I agree, to a point. I can easily point to dozens of players for who 4e was their D&D of choice (my players of 3+ years being a shining example). I don;t envy WotC their task of finding a sweet spot for as broad a group as possible, because at the end of the day they're not going to do 3.X...

If they're having fun, then no worries. My players simply love their characters so much that the social compact compels me to play the game differently than I did in the 70's ;)

Well, your list neatly removes just about everything 4e brought to the game, Unless your definition of unity is essentially 3e, I'd say you;re excluding much of D&D's current base.

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Yep. By the time you hit Paragon, most parties have so many abilities that grant early saves (many with bonuses) that my players actually dread 'until end of X next turn' effects *far* more than most save ends.

Microlite74 uses that system, and it's been working great all week here. Granted, I chose to have a separate track of 'Mana' (virtual hit points) and Hit points, but the result is still very fun.

Nobody has permanently died in the 3-1/2 campaigns I've played in 4e. We've been threatened, knocked out, and dragged from the very brink of death, but the systems allows many opportunities to save our beloved characters without lulling us into believing we have 'plot immunity'. Sweet spot...

I remember getting the Moldvay Basic Set at Christmas (82?). It *was* marketed as a family game---everything you needed in one box (rules, sheets, adventure and dice). My dad and I read the rules, everyone rolled up characters Christmas Day and we explored the Caves of Chaos as a family...

It didn't, primarily because level drains absolutely destroys a game where the math assumes the party is on an equal power footing. I think it is safe to say that losing character levels when a wraith touches you is a thing of the past as far as D&D is concerned.

I think we're one more Realms Changing Event from seeing a wholesale novel-writers revolt.