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Crothian "And even a battle of 30 kbolds is no hassle for me. But again 3e isn't for everyone." Thats the problem, WOTC wants everyone playing 3E, but most people I know aren't "cut out" for 3E. Its slick on the surface, but when you start playing it, the mechanics quickly dominate the game...

MerricB: "In my 3e play, I've just hit "the wall" where battles are taking longer... about 16th level" I hit the wall as DM at 1st (the first time 3 PCs tried to sneak past 5 goblins and a fight broke out (this woulds litterly have taken about 3 minutes in 1E, in 3E we were still at it for a...

MerricB: "Ah, you admit it! Sorry about that, tx - I've just seen way too many threads denigrating 3e as "video-gamey" that I react badly to similar comparisons." No worries. :D I still say there's only 1 MerricB, and that for everyone else large battle after large battle in 3E/3.5 is a...

Grodog makes a good point: "ontinuous combat would bore me to tears, especially within the scope of 3.x combats (which, since I'm not MerricB, take me a LOT longer to run than AD&D combats). " Thats true, unless your MerricB (and lets face it, there's only one MerricB ;) ) a typical 1E dungeon...

John: " "You see that progression even within AD&D 1e. Wilderness Survival Guide and Manual of the Planes were both late in 1e's life (and though many 1e purists hate them" The late 1e stuff (everything including and post UA) could and IMHO should be looked at as a 1.5e. Sure some of the...

Replicant2: "My point was that the art in the PH and DMG is not this good, and I wish it was". Don't we all. :\

MB: "Do you want to ask about why the shift away from dungeon-crawls and to more variety in adventures, or insult people who play computer games?" Oh, that must be it :confused: ! Mate, I play computer games, always have...always will :cool: ...and no, I'm not insulting anyone...just...

In another thread concerning artwork, something interesting was brought up: that the focus on dungeons in D&D has changed over the years (from OD&D/AD&D to 2E, and now to 3E). It seems to me the amount of time the typical player spends underground has been reduced (maybe 20% top side and 80%...

Don't knock cost constraints. Some of the best television and movies were made on shoe string budgets. And they likely wouldn't have been nearly as good if they had bigger budgets. The original Star Trek is a good example. If the reason TSR didn't have color interiors was cost, then I'm...

It looks like just the 6 and 9.

Darth S: "The size of an elf's ears don't speak even one whit to the quality of a piece of art." Your right it doesn't. The problem with the ears being that large on elves is that "many" of us don't picture elves that way in D&D. We picture elves, more or less, the way they are depicted in...

Darth, that elf's ear (in the archer illo) is huge compared to 1E. And his eye is heavily tilted. Look, the 3E art message I posted was meant for one person in particular who kept pushing for examples. If things look one way to me...they just do, same for you. Art critique can only be...

Wayne, thats a dwarf? It doesn't look much like Gimli or any other dwarf I've ever seen :confused: And it still couldn't walk, though I suppose Steven Spielburge could use it in a movie where it roles. Hey, I agree with you, WOTC moved on to a new style of artwork, thats my point. Thats the...

Yes. :D And thanks for blowing off the point rather then addressing it (that Otus's unique style wasn't for kids or amature and was "artistic" and studied and appealed to adults who wanted a general since and mood of the place...once again, almost in a fine art kind of way). Hey M., thanks...

Kam, take a look at the ages of the guys on the cover of the PH and DMG for 1E. These guys are dirty, grimey, bearded, and just tough mofo's. Lets face it, did kids (I mean 10 year olds) want to see exclusively old guy like this. I did, and my friends did (I'll bet alot of you guys as...

I remember when I first came to ENworld (before 3E was officially released); there was some FANTASTIC artwork leaked out by Eric Noah that was supposed to have been in the original PH (but apparently didn't make the cut). It was more "old school" in attitude then most 2E era art, and didn't...

Good point Magaan. And were getting the same thing now with OSRIC. Personally, I think in about 2 years 1Eers and 3Eers alike will be in the same camp, shaking our heads together at the direction WOTC goes. But like you said, who'll care if new quality 1E and 3E material is being pumped out...

Yes, thats a huge difference! AD&D 1E took themes from adult books, and adult fantasy concepts. Thats why everyone depicted is mature and in their 40s. 1E was a game made by and for gamers (who at the time were 30-40 year olds playing chain mail. I took to it so well because I actually felt...

Delta, thanks for posting that. Wow, so there are old schoolers who actually prefer 3E to 1E (the artwork, rules and all :confused: ). I suppose thats to be expected, since there were a good number of 1Eers who preferred 2E (about 30% of those I new made the switch to 2E)...I suppose the same...

Jenson, agreed. Its all about the bottom line. Magaan, power to the people! :D I can dig it. ;) KM, perhaps some of todays guys are into transgender and gay midget halflings...but I doubt its many.