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What are the things that you like best about 3E art? Although I much prefer 1E era stuff, there are some things I like about 3E artwork. One thing is there monsters (scary buggers). I like the muted colors, almost watered down ink. I think this color choice sets a tone thats almost graphic...

Hussar: "Wow, talk about revisionist history. WOTC wasn't even a gleam in someone's eye when TSR shifted to 2e." Edited my original statement to say TSR. But, WOTC will still drop you guys just as fast...watch and see. :]

KM, thanks alot for burning out my retna with those images. YES I can easily see WOTC going in that feminized direction. You guys have to remember, WOTC is into this for the buck. They'll drop you 3Eers just as fast as TSR dropped us 1Eers when 2E came out. And the numbers of players won't...

Gizmo, I agree, cartoons and computer illustrators are driving the direction of "fantasy" art (at least in FRPGs) not so much in childrens books....yet. That might be due to the long standing relationship childrens book illustrators have with publishing companies...often lasting a professional...

Wayne WTF is this from! I flew bye it the first time...but on my second read, when I noticed... about spat my coke all over my work! Pretty f...ing bizzare. Was this guy/gal taken from a gay publication of some sort, or is this legit? Man I hope your wrong about 4E heading in that direction...

I love Frank....did you get that, I love him. :D Hey good point about the UA Barbarian. Forgot about that. I don't see anything at odds between snow flake art in 3E and what I said. Those are not even related to one another. In 1E you still have dirty, grimey, dungeon weary folk...

Those are all fantasy Generic. Thier bizzarness just makes them that much more so. I think your misunderstanding what I mean by fantasy Generic. Fantasy generic is a set of rules that define a look. Artists can have any style they like (from high realism to rough sketching or characterized...

J-Dawg, I didn't say todays stuff was "dungeonpunk" just that it has elements of it. Todays stuff is "something unique" to be sure. Melan: "Otus, DCS and especially Dee had little to do with mediaeval fashion. Maybe Trampier" Sure, but their clothing was very fantasy generic. Frezetta, as...

Well sure I could have mentioned Dark Sun and BRs "Welcome to Thunderdome" everyone huge and dressed in revealing tight black leather strips in bright desert sun (not exactly a dungeon delving Midieval look), :p PlaneScape on the other hand had some older school looking stuff if I remember...

Q: "3e art seems technically well produced although I was never a big fan of dungeonpunk. Fortunately that seems to have faded away." IMHO, 3E artwork is still bland, and has many of the elements of dungeon punk still alive and well (huge proportions, perfect bodies, odd poses, giant elf ears...

Darth: "Well you've pretty much lost me at this point. Somehow you see "machismo" and "inner vision" and "spirit" where I see some cool atmospheric illustrations along side some goofy filler material (a description which can apply to all editions IMO). You imagine some bearded rebels flipping...

Hey Captain, that is a great cover (twilight calling). I've never seen it (apparently I missed alot of old Basic modules :( ). Levels 30-35...anyone ever attempt to play this sucker?

I also need to mention, I haven't seen much of the 3E art in the last year.

Yep, 3E lacked machismo all the way around (safe covers, safe action heroes, girls and guys rendered looking very similar to each other, few close to impossible odds going out in glory scenes, etc. etc.). Truely a biproduct of the politically correct 90s. Back in the 70s guys were guys and...

NO! :D It must be a module.

Sorry Glyfair, I meant module cover. But yeah thats a sweet cover as well.

The greatest flaws with the Barbarian class IMO involved their restrictions on associating with Magic Users and clerics, and of course using magical devices. This was really the first attempt to force a role onto a PC (of acting the idiot barbarian). Or at least thats how it got played. Even...

White Plume. For its setting I think.