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As I said, we have a long way to come as a species with regards to reason, logic, and understanding. I will, however, not advocate for the use of the wrong tools for the right reasons.

The characters are not propaganda if there is no intent to push an agenda. The intent to push an agenda is the problem I find. Not the characters.

"Are asking for media content creators to either let their work speak for themselves" is a good idea. And while nothing can be truly apolitical, I would argue to say that there is a vast difference between D&D and The Jungle. D&D is a game you play to escape from the real world. You would only...

As I said in my thought experiment above, whether you'd support the game or not is a simple choice. Of course you would give up supporting it. I would to. But it shows how the use of media as a vehicle of a specific ideology is problematic. You like the game. You want to support the game, but...

Exactly the same as I did before: that propaganda has no place in roleplaying. The argument is irrelevant. It does matter if I agree with it or not. The right place in the right place; the right time is the right time, but promoting one's agenda through a roleplaying game book certainly isn't it.

Seeing as us both have a reasonable change to present both our views in the same light and with the same resources, I'd say it's not a bad place to discuss ideology with regards to roleplaying games.

I have no problem with either within the context of roleplay. It is a game of make believe with no effect on the real world. Eventually the Nazis will shout loud enough that everyone will learn their mouths and minds are full of garbage and eventually the Christians will realize there's nothing...

Which I would argue is a great example of using the wrong tools for the right reasons, though is remains something I am not in favor of and cannot support.

Which is a shame and demonstrates how far we still have to come as a species. I will not, however, advocate for the use of the wrong tools for the right reasons.

Everyone who disagrees with his ideology but still loves D&D and wants to support the game (just not the ideology Crawford presents). How would you like it if D&D came out and said, "we're no longer going to include images of blacks in our gamebooks." You'd be torn. On the one hand, you love...

Which is why I never accused WotC of propaganda until they started showing their desire to use their adventures to create societal change, as Mr. Crawford stated, as quoted in the mentioned article.

There is not propaganda in the characters, only in Mr. Crawford's rhetoric and desire to advance his ideology. In other words, there is no propaganda in the adventure, only the article.

Which is exactly what I'm saying to Mr. Crawford.

People change social norms through the battle of ideas: I show you my data. You show me your data. I give you my analysis. You give me yours. We both walk away knowing more about both sides. It might even turn out we agree or can reach a compromise.

There's the root of our disagreement, then. You think it's OK to use the game as an ideological arena. I just want to roll dice and make bad jokes in my own little world.

In what way? I'm trying to clarify. Clarification involves adding new details. As I said above: Inclusion of gay characters: Don't really care. Inclusion of straight characters: Don't really care. Using media to as a way to promote any ideology, whether I agree, disagree, or am unsure about...

I would also be against this ideological advance, as well. It's a game, not a podium.

That's exactly my point. Crawford did highly the difference, which turned what he did into an ideological stunt. I have nothing wrong with the adventure or the gay characters. I just don't like the motivation before including them (politicizing a game), regardless of what the message might be..

Because agenda applies motivation. No one is actively trying to use gold pieces or swords to advance one. That's the difference.

Honestly, none of these people bother me. It's a game. It's completely separate from the real world. That's what I like about it. My entire point can be summarized as follows: It's a game, how about we all stop trying to push out agenda with it, alright.