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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    That all makes sense. I agree with all of it. But we're still speaking past each other. Once again, include the LGBT community. That's fine. I have no problem with that. I just can't support Crawford's sentiment, "I wasn’t about to have this book go out and not acknowledge that people like me...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Once again, your misrepresenting my words. Of course there are countless example, but none taken casually. Nor was is casual when my brother came out. It was a family ordeal for the older generations, even in modern day America. The inclusion of "look, they're two gay blacksmiths and no one...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    In my games, that's how I'd play it, yes - but only because of the source material for my setting (medieval Europe), not because of my view I actually hold. When people began to point out they don't see medieval Europe as the default background for D&D, I dropped that line of argument due to an...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    What does this have to do with anything. No one here is arguing against any of this.
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Please point out anywhere in this discussion where I say the LGBT community should be excluded, not represented, or villainized. I have said nothing of the sort. I have made two and only two points over and over, which very few people have combated: 1. Casual inclusion of LGBT does not it the...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Dude. I am pro LGBT marriage in every sense of the word and campaigning in support of it for over 15 years. Message =/= delivery system.
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Are you even reading my posts? I agree with everything you're said, except maybe that D&D is a children's game. (Adventure Time is (was?) a kids show, but adults watch it anyway because it's fun.) If you're like to refute any of my actual arguments about the use of propaganda in media, I would...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    How is "I wasn’t about to have this book go out and not ... [insert anything here]" not an ideological statement? What the statement is doesn't matter. Here are some examples: I wasn’t about to have this book go out and not ... discuss school shootings. I wasn’t about to have this book go...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    According to whom? Art is extraordinarily poor medium of exchanging viewpoints. It is messy, left up to interpretation of the viewer. It is unspecific and disinterested in facts, but is instead interest in pushing a particular agenda.In academic circles, Ann Rand's The Fountainhead is laughable...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Once again, you are misrepresent my argument in poor faith. Either we can have a discussion in which we refute each other's points, or we can agree to disagree, but I see no need for crass mockery of this sort.
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    You're misrepresenting my point. I'm not arguing against inclusion. I don't care there are gay NPCs in adventures, honestly. I care about people trying to use a game to make an ideological statement instead of using reasoned, well researched arguments. There is a time and a place for ideological...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Like I said, time and place. D&D is not a political science class. It's not a interviewing 101 workshop. It's not a newspaper column. It's a game. If Crawford wants to make a well reasoned, researched argument or have an intellectual discussion about the LGBT on Waking Up with Sam Harris...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Putting propaganda in children's game is the right thing to do? OK. That makes sense. Now, Just so I don't have to rehash this again *sigh*... Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view. According to the article...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Which brings us back to square 0 of defaulting to popular (though often ahistoric) view of traditional medieval norms like we do with everything else that isn't stated directly.
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Is it only elves or do other races have similar sexual inclinations, too. How to other communities feel about elven sexual norms?
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    That interesting. I'm not quite willing to concede my argument entirely. I'm interested in knowing if presence or even acceptance of the LGBT community is limited only to certain regions and/or races, but I will certainly what you've said into consideration when writing future posts.
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    That one's a fact. And I have no problem with that part of the quote. However, there are two parts of the quote: 1. "I wasn’t about to have this book go out and not acknowledge..." 2. "...people like me exist." Personally, I see nothing wrong with part 2. It's not propagandist at all. It's...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    That's interesting. I haven't seen any of that, before. I'd love to be proven wrong. Care to provide a source?
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view. According to the article presented in the OP, Crawford said “I wasn’t about to have this book go out and not acknowledge that people like me exist." Please explain to me now...
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    D&D 5E (2014) D&D Promises to Make the Game More Queer

    Which is great. However, adventuring parties are rarely representative of the surrounding population.
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