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If it fails they will probably mothball D&D for a few years. I really dont see a good way out of this for WOTC. If they lean to much toward the past they lose the players that hate the past editions. If they lean to much toward 4E things are pretty much going to remain the same as they are...

I think if someone's sole reason for buying these is to support the Gygax Memorial then yeah, asking how much of the purchase is going toward the memorial isn't being cynical. It's wanting to know that how much the money that you're contributing is actually going toward the cause. I get that...

I dont understand why it's sad. Is this a slam? I'm not saying that AD&D is bad. but much like when I "graduated" from MARVEL SUPER HEROES (FASERIP) to DC HEROES and CHAMPIONS. I cant ever go back to FASERIP. There are very few games from my teenage / younger years that I'd go back to playing...

My sentiments exactly except that I have PDF's of these books instead of hardcopies. I also know that I can never go back to 1st Edition as a player or GM. Nice gesture to start winning back their fanbase though...

If only you had a native version that worked on OSX...

The only reason that I'm not a supporter of Fantasy Grounds is because there is no native OSX support for it. Otherwise id be all over it in heartbeat. As such I have a licsenced copy of d20Pro and have tinkered a bit with MapTools. I can't really say that I'm a fan of MapTools due to the...

Yankees Fans and Red Sox Fans are both fans of baseball. Just not fans of EACH other. Try bridging THAT gap then talk to me about everyone just being a gamer. I have NO common ground with someone who plays 4E. NONE. Unless they play SOMETHING ELSE that we both play and enjoy. Other than that...

Negative. We have just settled into a nice groove where people were playing what they liked. There are groups playing 4E. There are groups playing Pathfinder. There are some people even playing BOTH. Now not only will WOTC be releasing a new edition, they will also still be supporting 4E via...

I've been running a monthly Pathfinder game for the past two and half years (?). Starting with a modified version of Keep on the Borderlands and then easing into the Curse of the Crimson Throne AP with the same players but a different group of PC's. We're now at the end of the second chapter...

Yeeeeeeah.... I'm sorry and the problem is WHAT exactly? No excuses! Git 'er done Scott!!! I mean seriously, aside from the possible issues with 5E licensing, this should be doable. I may not like your points or how you make them but I've seen your 4E conversions and they're pretty darn...

Yup. Well Scott, looks like you've got a little more than a year to get your ducks in a row. Play test the hell out of 5E so you can figure out how those conversions are gonna work...;)

THIS EXACTLY. I walked away from WOTC because they were selling a product that I had no interest in. Paizo makes a product that I'm more than interested in and have been supporting since 2007-8. People who play 4E are still going to have support for their game. Who are they supposed to be...

Well to be fair they DID kill 3.x, at least support for it. Which at that point was to be expected since they were introducing 4E. It's also the reason that Pathfinder and other OSR games became havens for people who wanted nothing to do with WOTC's new and shiny. I find it incredible and also...

Even that isn't going to bring me back on the WOTC carousel. I'm staying where I'm at and not even signing up for the 5E play-test. When it's actually out I might take a look but right now D&D isn't even a factor in my RPG livelihood. Besides I dont know why some 4E people are wringing their...

Well for starters it's actually not an EXACT copy of 3.5. There's like, a 10 page thread over on Paizo detailing the differences between Pathfinder and 3.5. Even opening the Core Rulebook and reading the Classes chapter you'll see there are quite a few differences between the Core Pathfinder...

Agreed. I mean seriously? Pathfinder is my game of choice. And I've been DM'ing for over 20 years at this point so I'm gonna ignore Wyatt's advice anyway. I think it's fairly crappy advice because one of the reasons I play RPG's is beause youre not limited to THIS or THAT decisions. THIS is...

I suggest that you try not ascribing motive to people here in order to strengthen your argument. No I'm not a fan of 4E, but if you've read ANY of my posts at all when I've discussed 4E I've never railed against it in a way that I can be labled a 4E hater or whatever they're called. In fact...

I have one question then I think that maybe I should walk away from the thread because people here aren't even trying to reach a anything even remotely resembling a middle ground. Just people talking past each other and constructing straw men and moving the goal posts in order to win the thread...

That's the definition of Encounters from the 4E DM's guide. I'm hoping that provides enough context in terms of what I'm talking about. Now if someone can point me to the page number of Wyatt's initial comment so we can also discuss that in it's proper "context" as well. EDIT: Never mind...

I've addressed alot of this in my earlier post. And I did so without politely telling someone that the way that they play was stupid and a waste of time. Yes I know that you didn't say that but and I quote: So thanks for that. Let's feel free to ignore each other from here on in yes...