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I'm convinced that any thread in the Rules forum, if alowed to go on long enough, will eventually become an 'is the FAQ official or not' argument...

Yes, but that gets into the other discussion of VoP. Is the list of allowed items all-inclusive? I, personally, don't think so. This gets into the 'flower in the hair' argument from another thread. By what's written there, a Druid couldn't wear a flower in her hair or own a pet rock. I think you...

Nope, never said the BoED says a Wizard can carry a spellbook. Just that I'd allow it, and that I think it fits within the spirit of the concept of VoP. I thought I was making it clear...

A spell component pouch is two-months salary for an untrained laborer. Why would you consider that and poverty in the same sentence?

That would explain all the porn ads... ;)

I've never said that. I'd have no problem letting a VoP Wizard buy a second 15gp spellbook anymore than I'd have a problem letting him buy a replacement spell component pouch for 10pg (or however much they cost). Again, that's just me. ;) I actually like Li Shenron's idea:

:sigh: If I hadn't missed that one week, I'd be up there closer to the top...

Another one not in the RAW (that I remember seeing). I'd allow it. For one, it's a class feature. For another, it's not really a possession. By the same token, would a Druid/Ranger lose an animal companion? Could a character with the leadership feat lose a cohort? I'd allow it all. I agree with...

IanB, you'll never convince them that the FAQ is even worth looking at. I've tried many times and given up.

Hey, no being funny here. We're trying to have an arguement. ;) (Though I have no idea why.) A VoP fighter could be fun. I might try that. Make him a brawler. No weapons at all. Could be fun in a city campaign.

No. And it's not even close to the same thing, to answer the follow-up.

I'm not sure there's a reason. The logic is probably that, while logged in, google can track your search history and peg it to a specific account. I'm not sure they actually do that, though I suppose it's possible.

What about the 1sp for the peasant's outfit? Or the 2gp for the dagger? Or the 5gp for the spell component pouch? Nothing says a VoP character can't have anything of any value whatsoever. I don't think it's unreasonable to allow a VoP Wizard to have a simple spellbook so that he/she can...

That's ok. I reject many of your arguments outright on a regular basis. I will take issue with this comment, though: Doesn't cost a Wizard anything to scribe the two spells per level into the spellbook. And if you read my earlier post, I would expressly not allow them to get scrolls and enter...

OK, for all you literalists, I'll state my position--despite the fact that I still see this as a DM's call and a pointless argument. ;) You really have to define 'value' in terms of VoP. I don't see it as black and white. In many cases, what's valuable for one person is worthless for another...

I realize it's often futile, but has anyone actually emailed Wizards about this? We should have a few people ask and see what kind of responses we get.

On one hand, it's no different. On the other, they're not even close to the same. Even loaded with spells, a spellbook still has very little value. A equate a VoP character with a spellbook the same as a VoP Cleric with a mundane holy symbol. I'd allow both, but that's just me. They really only...

It only has value if he tries to sell it. Otherwise it's just a tool for doing his job. VoP is far from a Black&White concept. Lots of DM's calls and DM/Player discussion needed before jumping into it.

The Eschew Components feat wouldn't be necessary, as VoP specifically allows a spell component pouch. And there's even a bit about sacrificing EXP in place of higher-value components. As for the spell book, that would be a DM call, and you made it. Personally, I'd allow it, but I'd probably...

Point Buy is relevant because that's how many (if not most) of the characters in question begin, so it's the starting off point in any general discussion of how to get abilities high enough for epic feats.