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I think they definitely represent something in the game world. One take is that, in a magical world where humans are capable of having more hit points than an elephant, hit points (and what they represent) become some kind of tangible aura that people can sense. Of course that's only one take...

Maybe so, but I also wanted to hear peoples' views on what kind of characters had classes and how they came to gain those classes (see my example of the-only-ranger-in-the-world). For instance, in the previous edition of the game I might consider using cleric, sorcerer or adept levels to...

The purpose of this thread is to discuss your views on the in-game meaning of the various D&D character classes (which are primarily a game mechanics element). For example, would NPCs in the game world really distinguish a fighter from a warlord from a skilled guardsman? Would they all just be...

Do you mean faux-medieval fantasy jokes or actual non-fantastic medieval?

I read somewhere they squat to piss.

Well actually I've gamed with many male gamers over the years and some of them were as good as, if not better than, female gamers. Maybe if you weren't so narrow minded male gamers wouldn't feel so threatened by you and your buddies and some of them might want to game at your table. As it is...

I remember that, a few years ago, there was a significant number of posters on this board who believed that Rule Zero was poor game design, invoking it was poor DMing, and its entire existence was about cheating players.

I agree totally. 4e combat mechanics for humanoids are a great addition to D&D.

I love the way 4e handles the combat mechanics of humanoids. I don't think Pathfinder went far enough in making humanoids mechanically distinctive.

This is what I'm looking forward to.

With so much excitement surrounding the 4e release of Dark Sun I'm starting to think it's going to be a massive let down for most people, no matter how good it is.

I think there's a fairly recent poll around here about this. IIRC it turned out most DMs borrow bits and pieces from modules for their homebrew campaigns. Or maybe I'm projecting.

Are you so blinded by hate you only see what you want to see? It's a criticism of the marketing and it's separate to the criticism of the need for representative game pieces. As it stands though, 4e plays much better with tokens of some kind and so I put up with it. Then you're willfully...

ROFL! I see what you did there. I find combat runs a lot more smoothly with some kind of battlemat and tokens. I just don't want to shell out for expensive minis and Dungeon Tiles(TM) I believe the only criticism being avoided by the haters is "4e is too much like (insert hater's favourite...

I've already explained why. Earlier in this thread. Some posters here don't have the maturity to take concessions as anything other than an admission that "OMFG 4e F4N8OIs 3V3N tHiNk IT $u><0rs!!!" They're just too emotionally invested in their hate of the game. But for what it's worth, I've...

No mate, just some of them. You know that.

I knew what you were trying to do and chose to ignore it. You've revealed yourself with your most recent use of the term 'critique', which is what you would have said if you weren't obfuscating. I mean, alternate dictionary definitions of 'criticism' aside, we all know the contemporary usage...

So do I. However non-combat play doesn't require detailed rules the way combat does. However I like combat as much as any other element and I want it to be exciting (people trying to kill each other has always been an objectively exciting part of any entertainment media) which is why...

You prove my point. Why is it a "criticism" that 4e is rules heavy for combat and rules light for everything else?

It matters considering your definition of the term 'hater'. If WotC and D&D 4e are successful then 'hater' is perfectly valid. As for nerdrage I put it to you that defending something and attacking it are two different things. I don't want to focus on the negatives. Not around the kinds of...