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That's funny. . . I remember pretty much all those comments the OP mentions being trumpeted about. . . . . . along with "Hardly anybody is going to switch to 3E. They've changed too much and its going to fall flat on its face and WotC will have to go back to supporting REAL D&D again. Just...

Yes.

This is an awesome change for the game and I'm glad to see they addressed it. ne more reason to buy 4th.

If he finds it that offensive nobody is forcing him to play a warlock or play at all. He should either play the game but avoid playing a warlock and shut up about it. . . . or avoid playing the game at all if necessary and find a new hobby. What he should NOT do and what you should not put up...

What I hope to love MOST is making combat more exciting. . . basically by reducing the "wait time" between actions while other people do their thing.

This is pretty much exactly my situation. After 3 1/2 editions and a quarter century of gaming, I'm definitely on board for switching to 4E. It will either reignite my interest in the game, or I'll get out of the hobby altogether. I'm done with 3.x and while I have some nostalgia for 1E, I...

No option for "Get over it already! It really doesn't make that much of a difference!" So. . . I voted 1-1-1-1

Yes, the fact that the hit/miss ratio doesn't quickly devolve to an auto-hit/auto-miss situation is a GREAT selling point for 4E. In the party, the heavily armored types ought to still be more difficult to hit than the lightly armored types. . . without the light armors getting auto hit all...

Wow. . . that assassin guy is really cool! . . . the other guy has a lame spiked chain and therefore sucks.

But when people are trying to decide whether to switch or not, it makes sense to compare and contrast the two products that the person is trying to decide between. That's what his argument keeps missing and he seems incapable of grasping. The discussions on this forum are oriented around...

Interesting article. I enjoyed it, but was initially disappointed it was about formORians, and not formians. I love the formians. . . they're the Borg of D&D.

OMG!! An extra stolen painting. . . poison ivy that characters can walk around easily!!! 1-1-1 movement is teh broken!!!!! They should just scrap this whole 4E thing and support 3E forever. . . 3E roxxors!! LOL!!!

The Black Company Campaign Setting - Pretty much the best gritty/dark fantasy campaign setting out there. It was published by Green Ronin and is based on a 3.x underlying engine with a completely new magic system, completely new classes, and some changes to the way combat/hit points work. Does...

Plus Con has more of an effect on hit points that it seems at first. Read the "Subtle Influence of Con" thread. . .

Makes sense to me. Before the 4E rumors came out I was actually working on a Stamina system where you got all your hit points back at the end of every fight unless you got down to less than your con, or went negative. I think they retain the name Hit Points just because its so integral to D&D...

I'm looking at 4E as a lifeline. I am so burnt out on 3.5 that 4E is basically my hope for staying in the hobby. If it doesn't pan out, I'll probably just drop out an stick to wargames instead from now on. Pretty sad considering I've been playing D&D for 28 years.

You're thinking in 3rd Edition terms here. . . In 3E, a fighters only good attack option was to full attack with his primary melee weapon. In 4E, I've gotten the impression that fighters might be more rounded in their abilities. Thus, it could be that your typical 4E fighter is pretty handy...

Very interesting! That's an excellent observation! I certainly hadn't considered that angle before!

You just spent a lot of time trying to convince people not to compare 3.x and 4E. Which is a waste of time I think. The comparison will be made regardless of how many times you claim 4E must stand on its own. People on this forum by and large play 3.x. Those who try 4E and decide they don't...

Actually you're being screamingly disengenuous on this point. The VAST majority of posters here all play 3.x in some form. There may be discussions over this or that aspect of the 3.x rules on the forums, but to imply that 3.x is not the baseline from which the latest version of the rules must...