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grrr to the double post gods.

Thou art truly the greatest DM ever.

Yeah, spelled S-T-A-L-E

I don't think it is quite so simplistic. But, as for me, I haven't bought a 3e product in about 4 years, except Dungeon Tiles. So, they have succeeded in bringing me back to the fold. I guess I cancel you out.

And if a lot more of their customer's feel the opposite? Then what? How are they supposed to please 100% of the customer base?

speak for yourself. My group plays weekly. So If we start playing H1 the first meeting after I get it we should get 3 sessions in before the core rules are out. Once we get the core rulebooks in our sweaty fists we (mostly I as DM) will need to spend some time grokking the DMG and MM. I...

could be a coded message from the 8 year old Chinese kid hired to paint them for a nickel an hour that he wants to defect.

Right, I could effectively have a group of monsters with a caster and force orb setup a throw rug that is 3 sq x 3 sq wait for a majority of the PC to get on or adjacent to the rug and then target the rug with force orb effectively hitting the entire party with an AoE force attack. I should...

My only problem is the amount of abuse it could receive as written. If I can target 1 square to do a defacto AoE at 8 people, why cant I target 4 squares to do a defacto AOE at 12 people if the opportunity presented itself?

So, in essence you're saying the force orb is like a water balloon? I can throw it at someone hit them directly and get them really wet and the people standing next to them kinda wet, or if I miss then no one gets wet at all. Or I could just "lob" it so it hits the ground at someones feet and...

In the actual blog page there are links leading to wikipedia entries for 2 different definitions of refractory period. I will leave it at that and suggest you go wiki them yourself.

I just want to say that I appreciate everybody's input. This has been a really good discussion thread.

And I can accept that, as a player and a DM. Will just have to keep a 6-pack of whoop-ass on hand for the players that can't. :p

Hmmm, this could be the answer to my dilemma in a Dragonlance campaign where I have sworn an oath to carry out Kendercide.

I agree with the spirit of what you're saying here, but where does the line get drawn? If I let a player hit a 1 square area of the floor and attempt to do secondary damage to everyone adjacent to that square, what stops him from next time targeting a 2x2 square area of floor to get a bigger...

To me that seems like a fine use of it too. I am all in favor of that use.

I don't think I know anything anyone doesn't. I don't even know that I am right. I am trying to reason out how to interpret a question that has come up based solely on the descriptor of the spell as written on the character sheets we have all seen. To me, it does not seem like the intended...

In that case why not decide the entire floor is one object and therefore be able to strike everyone in a 100' x 100' room? I don't object to the interpretation of hitting a square per se, it's the slippery slope i want to stay off of.

Actually, no. Force Orb targets one creature or object. If it successfully hits that creature or object it then gets a secondary attack (the splash) against every target that is adjacent to the primary target, so up to 8 other targets.

No, it isn't. There are other spells on the DDXP wizard sheet which are and they are very clearly defined as such.