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As one of the deleted ones, I would like to apologize to everyone for derailing this thread. It was not my intent to do so but I did. Sorry

Your welcome . 4E is not a system I enjoy but many do . So I want to thank you for giving them blackmoor to enjoy. Dave Arneson never got the credit Gary Gygax did, but he will always have my thanks.

I don't even play 4e but just seeing that cover made me tear up a little

Maybe just use lizardmen. Just dont use the race HD

Ya know I had forgotten about that...but no on ever played a bard in 3.0.

I agree with this. It would allow you to play hunt the survivors as well. Alot of ways you could do this. Myself I would go with a diff timeline say the war lasted until 1015 or something then mass "bombings " or some kind of backlash pretty much mornlaned everything. Oh the fun you could...

Ya know this sounds alot like something I ran into back when 3.0 first came out..A player had placed Knowledge all on his sheet..as it was on the list so kept saying he had knowledge of everything.... I do not see a need to know everything at once. Should wizards be granted all knowledge...

Not really, you can have way more then nine if you like. It is a skill just like craft and profession. there are as many as you can think of. Just because you take 9 ranks in sing, does not mean your that good with flutes or drums or string interments if you can play them at all

Nope I just fail to see the issue with it is all.

We already knew fly was a skill...The +2 for small however is new

MAybe just me but I don't find it all that bad. BAB is medium D8 HD, ok weapons, light aromr and shields, can cast in armor. More spells then a sorc, not as many castings however, 2 good saves. 6+int skills and a large skill list. Bardic music on top of that. He is ok at many things at once just...

I hear ya, I can understand it being tied however as it would get abused and well very odd at times..I take perform cello..I will tie my tumble to it And well the thing about a bard is her is not any one thing. He is not a full caster..he is not a full melee type..he isnt a rogue..he isnt a...

CR 3 is an avage encounter for a level 3 party DMG P. 48 A monster’s Challenge Rating (CR) tells you the level of the party for which that monster is a good challenge. A monster of CR 5 is an appropriate challenge for a group of four 5th-level characters. If the characters are of higher level...

I was good with the bard. Sure he gets less rounds now. Inspire courage was never ment to be an always on every single fight ability. He also got more stuff to do, a better HD and more spells..Oh and he can cast while doing bardic music...that's a win to me. YMMV The druid did get nerfed a bit...

If it's not appropriate for a CR 3 random chart then it is not CR 3

Well lini has it listed. So it is there, beyond that no clue. There was enough outcry in the playtesting over wild shap to take it out ...even if it should be

Except now it is indeed a CR 3 challenge. Paizo stated they palnned to clear up the CR system and bring things in line with the rating. They did this can we move on now?

Well I liked the new druid...it has got no where near as much outcry as the bard...go fig

can we move the allip thing to a new thread? It really is derailing this one.

I have to agree the allip works exactly like it did before. All that has changed is it now matches the CR it was listed under.