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I used 3.0 with some 3.5 classes such as the ranger and some 3.5 books. I switch to pathfinder beta now and will go full switch when the book comes out I did not like many chages n 3.5 butn some where ok.

Never read him so ya lost me there

All we have to go on is how each of our area's are doing. 10 people can say 4e sales poorly, then 10 can say it sales better then 3.5 did, then 10 people can say it's 50/50 sales And we still know very little. Then count in online and such and you just do not know. I think it is saleing ok, I...

ya know civ 2 did come to mind. There was another very similar but I can not recall the name

well many use d20 structures and terms just kinda rearranged to pre 3e rules

Well never have played magic so I did not have that info, I did and do however play video games and have seen the formatting in a few. So thats where my mind linked the look to

Well I did say to me. I think it was the color coating and all the little icones for ranged and melle and such looked like something ya would see in a booklet with an xbox game

well what ya do is get a bunch of your friends together , put on costumes and Raid the office...ya might go to jail but Gods that would be funny.

I don't know many publisher put them up after as free pdf that is how I get paizo's stuff as I have no game store, but I don't know about wotc, a search on there forums should let you know however

Oh man with your name that is just classic. I think one of the issue is the look, another is the class roles and over all way the classes works. I could be wrong but I have been told that by someone who tired it for 2 months and sold his books Others won't think that and some will latch...

I would if I could but have no game store

Well no good will come of this. I have played WoW but not 4e, so can't say. But 4e does look and read (to me) like a manual for a video game Not saying anything bad about the game play wise as I have not nor do I plan to play it , just commenting on the look and how it read is all

Well we or at lest I was not cheering it on but talking about if it could be done. I know they builder is done on fileshareing, kinda hard to miss really. Then we moved into if it really could be done. As was poited out if ya can hack microsoft ya can hack Wotc. Which is really a derail of the...

Umm we have not been anti-Wotc just ya know talking about stuff

Also agreed. The first GSL did NOT fail. It worked just as it was meant to work. It drove people away from 3PP and kept 3PP out of Wotc's pond.

Agreed. I would not put down the ideal of a hacked DDI like program or at the very lest a character builder hack. Some may be floating around. Once ya throw the gauntlet down your just begging someone to hack it. And they will just say they can say "Look I post this first!" Heck the last...

Have to jump back and finish reading this thread but all major named stores do stock it. Now your outlet may not have it on a shelf but you better believe it is i the warehouse. I was informed by books a million that pathfinder 20 was sold out and not sure when they could get more in. The store...

Oh yes I recall the..humm lets just say I recall the glut. Still glut didnt not have as much to do with it as the edition switch. The stores do not read the book, how are they to know it's junk. What they saw was good sales..ok sales then ed change and all this stuff I can't sale But hey...

I think I can explain this. You ever had a few shelves of product you paid for you can't sale? Ya see it wans't the d20 glut that hurt. Back when Wotc pulled out 3.5 shelves everywhere now had loads of stuff that where outdated and pretty much unsellable. So they take the lose and stop...

This needs left alone if you want a non LG paladin house rule it. It's something many people consider as unchangeable as vancain magic See above Humm not sure on this one it seems alot, but as you said we have not seen the whole thing. How much runs off that ablity channel uses 2 charges...