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4e has no charm. There's the straightjacket class system, the way EVERYTHING works the same...I feel like it's a collection of rules for playing a CRPG without a computer, but not like it could stand as a fantasy world. Heck, CRPGs have better magic, and I dislike the attitude that we'll get...

We hated the lack of character options, didn't want to buy more books, and got sick of long, boring, drawn-out battles. Pretty much the same as everyone else in this thread.

Wow, more of the stuff I expected from 4e. Dividing the older core classes into the inflexible things we've all come to know and love? Check. Overly arbitrary restrictions on things for the sake of balance? Check. Wow, look, an animated corpse apparently too stupid to beat things over the...

Feats in 4e=teh boredom. Woohoo! Random +1 bonus! And it's one of my "exciting things every level!"

Woohoo! "Mr Scruffy, get the mage!"

I agree with the OP here. So much is missing from core that it feels like WoTC put "pump our customers for more money" over "make a good product."

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When Wizards first announced 4e, I was really excited. I thought it would be really cool. So, a few months before it came out, I went out and sold all my 3.x books to Half Price Books. When I finally got the books...they were OK. I have played a campaign for 4 months and we have agreed...3e...

While reading these boards up to the advent of 4e, I have seen much discussion over save-or-dies and death. The great debate seems to be over the death of characters, which boils down to "Oh, no, my imaginary elf died." Reading the article on character death (which, in 4e, you can pop out 500...

Meh. I found the article meh. Epic destiny...meh. Paragon path was kind of lame. And you know, I'm a fan of the drow.

Don't get me wrong. I like 4e. It's fun, and the basic rules structure has a lot of potnential. Still... Why is the shadow power source going to come out WAY in the future? Why are all the monsters, and not the PCs, still armed with save or dies, if protecting PCs from SoDs was a big goal...

Well, Miko was attacked...paralysis IS a serious threat, which could have left her open to free shots from dominate person, suggestion, or whatnot...if not a cdg...

DANG RIGHT!!!! :rant:

Cleric of Atheism. Yep, good times.

Two words: "Brokeback Mountains." While I admit I started this (not making fun of gays, just the melodramatic annyoingness and media hype), it ballooned out of control.

Thanks.

Why is it that, whenever I get a box of minis, it seems to contain a lot of garbage no one can use, or that might be used ONCE if at all? I seem to have a lot of farmers, blue drakes, weird abberant things, etc. but it's harder to find orcs, goblins, kobolds, drow, or skeletons that would be...

Well, my life started getting busy again. Sorry!

Thalak mutters an expletive and turns to face the adult. "These things are almost as bad as monkeys.". He boldy runs behind a tree and fires a blast of magic at his opponent. He misses horribly. Moving to e20, casting magic missile. Attack: 1d20+4=7

Galdr watches Bheazir fall. Unable to reach him to render aid, the tiefling settles for throwing a blast of magic and insulting the swarm's mothers. Casting magic missile. Attack: 1d20+4=21 vs Ref Damage: 2d4+4=9 force Then moving to h12.