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No The analogy would be "Ancalagon, you like that restaurant bc its near your house!" "No i don't because its not near my house. In fact I didn't even know where it was the first time I ate there because I was there before I moved to my house and I've tried all the other restaurants and I...

Yes, which necessarily implies: The many many people who like OSR play over other games in basically the same genre and cite the mechanics as why they roll old school must necessarily be lying or self-deceived. So, again, that "black and white" and "easy to refute" interpretation matches yours...

Let him yank--so long as no gamer logs on to this page and reads misinformation that is not refuted immediately, we;re all good. Is it your contention that Tony said something other than what he meant? If not: what other possible meaning of "Probably they.." etc is there? I mean, if you say "...

No problem: Are you making the same bold claim that Tony Vargas is, that OSR folks' self-reports are wrong and that you know they "probably" want something else? If not: ok. If so: same question to you about evidence.

Answer: It sold a lot of copies compared to other OSR products indicating it is a representative of what people into OSR like. Can you or can you not answer the questions you were asked?: " you've just said "probably" which means you're actually saying that your idea about why people are dong...

Ah, you've just said "probably" which means you're actually saying that your idea about why people are dong what they do is more likely to be accurate than their self-report. Which means they must be either lying or self-deceived. 1.Do you have any evidence of these bold claims about the...

"the main reason" they continue to use it. I know as clearly as one possibly can that they use it for that reason. They have lots of other options and know about them and in many cases they are cheaper. But instead they write letters and talk about how use the stuff is. So barring a...

Yes In the case of the OSR, I don't know if it's related and do not care. I do know the stuff is good and that many people use it because of that now. "good"

I think you're misunderstanding: " If you think people like the retroclone mechanics or products solely bc nostalgia: That is wrong and we can have a conversation about that mistake. If you think something else: that's not really something that I'm concerned with. " If someone is making the...

Well "patiently explain anyone reading out of", not"shout". It's typing. But yes. Also find out if anyone who thinks that has some reason (valid or otherwise) heretofore not known to social science or game design

I don't really understand what you think the OSR has to do with nostalgia. If you think people like the retroclone mechanics or products solely bc nostalgia: That is wrong and we can have a conversation about that mistake. If you think something else: that's not really something that I'm...

I pretty much never hear any actual person say anything but "Renaissance" within OSR circles even though various official sites use other words. Googling: "Old School Rules" + "D&D" gets wayyyyyyyyyyyyy less hits than "Renaissance". Beyond what Google does or does not prove: I leave the...

That's not my rhetorical style because I know from art history and the history of pretty much every cultural thing that names don't mean much and the membership of a group means much more. Surrealism was not "above realism", really. (Ask PAul Klee) Cubism almost never featured cubes R&B was...

So, Tony same question as for anyone else making this claim: 1. If the OSR is driven by nostalgia than how come people who don't know anything about the old games (not just "didn't play them" but literally weren't culturally aware of them) are so into OSR games? 2. If the OSR is driven by...

Once you start making personal attacks and assuming bad faith the possibilty of a meaningful conversation is over.

1. Massive goalpost shift from 'if it's not in the rules it's not allowed' (which violates the definition of RPGs, btw. The whole point of RPG vs wargame is that they said everyrthing _not_ forbidden was allowed), to "if it's not specifically empowered it's not LIKELY to be part of your game"...

True but after however many years watching this debate on the internet, I think everyone knows the second half of that argument is always "And that's why people like it, definitely not because the new content is good or the old mechanics are often suited to their purpose" I mean: it's 2018...

Either the player trusts the DM or does not. If they do not then they should not be playing together. To me, playing with a DM like that--who would immediately assign a probability and it didn't work-- would be playing with a bad DM. Or, at least, a DM who has made a mistake. If that was the...

A good GM either: 1. Would do it right (and you'd know because play afterwards would bear it out) or 2. Would go "let me get back to you on a mechanic for that", for now you can't or 3. Would go "Doing the math on that is too complicated right now" That's a good DM. The one who immediately...

I think it is reasonable that when someone makes an accusation ("OSR people who claim the OSR is not about nostalgia are self-deceived"), then they should answer questions about it so the claim can be evaluated. Your evaluation of Fire on the Velvet Horizon: a. It's trivial to find a similar...