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1. If the OSR is driven by nostalgia than how come people who don't know anything about the old games (not just "didn't play them" but literally weren't culturally aware of them) are so into OSR games? 2. If the OSR is driven by nostalgia how come the most popular OSR products (that is: best...

Only a day out and already Frostbitten & Mutilated is contributing to The Dialogue. I feel like a proud dad.

This statement makes clear your assumptions about how reality works are so vastly different than my own that we would only go in circles if this conversation continued. I regret to say that at this point I therefore must withdraw. The conversation has been however, revealing and explains your...

All of the companies we're discussing: LotFP, Green Ronin, Evil Hat, are succeeding. So that's not relevant. You could say that about literally any business no matter how exploitive or even illegal. The fact a business exists isn't a justification for it to exist--especially if its making bad...

I never said anything about market shares. You keep bringing up the best interest of large, safe companies and their "growth". Those things are not important. Good new work is important and paying people fairly is important. The rest is something you keep insisting matters but keep refusing...

I think that is quite literally what that means. Fans are happy to throw money at all kinds of projects, as recent Kickstarters have shown. They just maybe aren't tripping over themselves to throw money at ones that pride themselves on being safe. This industry can support great creators and...

You keep talking as if businesses growing is preferable to them putting out anything worth using.

The physical production of LotFP books is better. James prints with a local printer in Finland and produces books that are immediately more impressive than EH or Green Ronin's. As for the art and writing: if you would like to argue that, even though in recent years LotFP is doing way better...

I am saying the model Evil Hat and Green Ronin and their ilk have a is worse for customers and creators than LotFP's. I never said it was the only model. Since typing more than that clearly has confused things, I am going to wait and see if you acknowledge that before moving on to addressing...

Pointing out that you've moved goalposts from argument A to argument B isn't being "stuck in a realm of binaries" Pointing out that companies like Evil Hat and Green Ronin and those who pay 3-5 cents per word has made decisions that are worse for creators and audiences than LotFP and companies...

Well which argument are you making here: -These companies that don't put much money into their books but make lots of money somehow miraculously manage to make good books anyway. And publishers making living wages while paying freelancers subpoverty wages is ethical. -Ok, fine, they don't...

Not the customer--they get multi-award winning, fantastic product instead of unloved stuff pumped out to meet demand. I haven't cherry-picked anything. The following addresses every point you've made, which all just goes to support one idea: " What you're saying is "these bigger companies...

What you're saying is "these bigger companies have to pay creators less and consequently create worse product because they are big". So clearly smaller is better both creatively and ethically. So be smaller.

I do advocate that. And it's only bad if you're not the creator (who gets paid more) and not the consumer (who gets a better product). And my sympathies are with them, not with whoever owns or runs the warehouse where some indie publisher keeps thousands of copies of some supplement nobody...

Except not at Lotfp. Or at Satyr Press. Or at other little OSR/DIY RPG presses that call me up and pay me way more than the 3-5 cents a word that Green Ronin and Evil Hat can offer. Just like the publishers at Green Ronin and Evil Hat, James at LotFP has no other job. They all live off their...

The US poverty line in 2017 Thresholds: One person $13,860 Two people $18,670 Three people $23,480 At Evil Hate/Green Ronin rates, producing 500-1000 usable words per work day, every week, all week no time off, a game designer would make 6500-13000$ a year. Well below the poverty...

Unless you're claiming that Evil Hat has less money than LotFP at any given moment, what's the point here? And if they do have less money, then you're simply saying that Evil Hat's freelancers are paying the price for Evil Hat's mismanagement of their business. They sell a zillion more copies...

Evil Hat aren't spending it on the art, they aren't giving it to the writers, they aren't spending it on the production, so....where? "Product development" literally means paying the creatives. There isn't a magic "development" machine that you feed quarters into and it produces ideas for...

Apparently they 100% are because they pay better rates for the first thing and then again for the second thing after that. I don't know what Evil Hat et al doing with all the extra money they aren't paying writers and artists. I am not sure I have heard anyone ask them and I am not sure...

Evil Hat objectively has more money than LotFP and objectively pays its people less.