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I can't believe that in 2016 there are still people who do this.

How is that puzzling? Modules should be vulnerable to smart players

How can you use the word "unplayable" to describe a module that has been played? And beaten? Like when people say "Ok, I played this in 1992 and..." are you saying they are lying? Do you think the fan press stories from the original tournament runs are a clever fabrication? How deep does this...

"Officer I thought I was pretty clear why I have a problem with your statement. I find it offensive for somebody to presume to tell me why I was speeding. "First and foremost, the problem I have is in the statement you have above: "Your statement is that 'speed' was more important to you than...

This is the "But officer I had no consideration of how fast I was going. Only WARM PIZZA!" argument, which you failed to address. The officer would still be correct in saying "you prioritized speed over safety" even if the ultimate reason for speeding was you wanted pizza fresh out of the...

I am not asserting you want the story to be "better" (or "worse"). I am asserting you fudged because: -a certain thing occurring or not occurring in the story (in this case: TPK from side of the road ogres) was more important to you than -the advantages of never fudging (ie not risking a threat...

Regardless of intent-the instrument of the "crime" was the story. You PRIORITIZED having a certain thing happen in the STORY over other considerations. Why you did that is not important. Much as a driver might prioritize driving fast over safety and yet argue that they didn't prioritize...

it's super-dynamic because you spend the whole game discussing what to do next with the other players. That's the experience at the table, no matter what the movie in your head imagines.

Yes. But we're talking about a specific incident of fudging and what that entails for that moment--not what a group's preference as a whole is. If you run a red light on the way to work, you might be valuing speed over safety in that moment. It doesn't mean you always will forever.

It is for LOTS of people who aren't playing by your values. So that's just like saying "I don't like brussels sprouts so if they appear, food is BROKEN!" The word "broken" is not actually a synonym for "not Maxperson's preference". Nope, because the point is the instrument the DM chooses to...

Trial and error death is interesting if you like thinking of ways to safely perform trials.

But, again: It's really sad that someone who would do that is getting listened to. The RPG community is riven with arguments from people with GENUINE fundamental disagreements about real stuff. Like there are not only people who genuinely believe that x edition will make society worse, but...

Yep. And it's amazing that, even in 2016: 1. People still read folks who do that opinion-as-fact thing and 2. People decided it was worth talking about with other humans.

I love uber-cautious death trap games. ESPECIALLY mid-campaign when I super-love my character and have invested so much in them over the years and so every decision and every die roll is heavy with consequence and super tense. It's delicious, it's like tiramisu. Every second, every thought...

I am speaking as a player. I mean, I gm, too, but I play just as much.

Ilbranteloth could not want that PC to die because his grandmother said she'd kill herself if that PC died, the fact is he still anticipated fudging would prevent/cause a given in-story event and did it because that prevented/caused in-story event (no matter what its ultimate point) was more...

Destroying the party (during any fight whatsoever) isn't necessarily "breaking the game". TPKs are part of the game. Destroying the party IS "breaking the game" when you define "breaking the game" as "making the players upset because they value story and drama stuff so they don't want to be...

False. Ilbranteloth Then why did you fudge, if not to prevent that event? (Or cause other events?)

Then define "break the game". Because so far the definition you gave was "make it less fun for the players I have who are players who don't want to die in minor fights" (which is totally a story-based value).

1) There was an in-story event (the death of that PC) that (for whatever reason) you were attempting to prevent. True or False? 2) You fudged in order to prevent this in-story event from occuring. True or False?