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I was thinking the same thing. Of course, it's pure conjecture, but it's possible they're willing to sell these starter sets at a loss in the interest of making it back when folks pick up that $50 PHB.

Exactly, Saruman isn't exactly a suave, sexy type that folks want to follow. He's got a pretty broad focus. He might be into eugenics and technological advancement, but he can throw a compulsion on someone weak willed when he needs to. There's definitely an archetype of the creepy old man in...

I think the apprentice levels help prevent some of the front loading problem pretty well so far. If I had to change anything though I'd probably change the proficiency advancement for multiclassing. It complicates the rules and maybe messes with the simplicity they're hoping for, but since...

They already do that to an extent, though it could be done better. Heavy armor feat gives you proficiency in heavy armor plus a few bonuses. The Arcane and Divine adept feats give you a small bit of spellcasting. In the last public playtest doc there weren't quite enough feats that were all...

Even a wizard who only has STR 3 is going to be ineffective. How does he lift his spellbook? Can he effectively carry anything except for the clothes on his back? The whole system breaks down with scores that low. He can barely swing a stick to hit the broad side of a barn. Hitting and...

Flaws look to be much more specific, like a specific monster you're scare of or a special book you have to read. Whereas a negative trait is something you're doing a lot more of the time, like being clumsy and knocking things over. Or that seems to be the idea I think. In practice it...

I don't have an exact link, but didn't Mearls mention in a L&L or something somewhere that they were trying to get away from the splatbook treadmill, and focus more on setting books that might have extra subclasses and whatnot in them? Or is that just another kind of splatbook? I'm fine with...

I actually don't mind the ability score restrictions for multiclassing from a narrative point of view. Perhaps it should be harder to do something if you don't have the affinity for it. I didn't mind the widely ignored ability restrictions for paladins in 2e either. I think they might be a...

So [if you're not arguing the RAW are fine and what we should adjust to] we're both arguing to change the RAW written then it sounds like. You, to add better rebuilding rules in so that you can better reflect the idea of a career change where a character's ability scores balance out (in this...

I don't know that we're disagreeing either. I don't think there's a need to be "awful" at your new class. I'm just arguing that we should be able to have either scenario (i.e. to be able to work with your DM to rebuild as a cleric or to be a cleric with a lower wisdom score if you want to be...

I'm not totally agreed that it makes a mechanically poor character. Multi-classing by design should make you less optimal at the class you give up to take the multiclass, but you have a broader skill set. You're forgoing being really good at the one class to be able to react to things in more...

This whole thread is about multi-classing in 5e, which has a lot of affinities to 3e style. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but by your posts and the very nature of the thread I was making some assumptions (apparently true!) on what your thoughts were to 3e "buffet style"...

Then again, not everyone has the "broad" vision you are effectively saying we should adopt. Some do think of the game as a set of more defined mechanics (not necessarily combat). Is there room for both, or is it necessary we adopt your projected vision? Rebuilding is great. I'm not against it...

That could actually make an interesting topic for discussion on one of the multi-class threads: Should there be some classes that are easier or more allowable to multiclass into, like a fighter having the option to cheaply take a class in warlock, but not wizard . However, I'd say that's more...

But it's not just a religious conversion, it's switching occupation altogether. Any class can be religious. Not any class can be a cleric, because ... that's a class. The very idea of multi-class is that you can be both of those classes. I don't need the system to be built with training...

Speaking for myself, I'm not incredibly wedded to the third but I am a little defensive about removing the possibility altogether. True, you're a bad cleric, but you're a cleric without the long wait or wasted resource fees, and it's not altogether a waste: you're another level, more hit...

I think the key to that is to simply design the warlock where it's not mechanically sub-par in comparison to the wizard. As far as "haha, what a chump," I'd say sure, let a few wizards have that position, but as the default probably not, and probably not once they face warlock of equivalent...

I'd like to have wizards who view warlocks with either perspective. Not necessarily "LOL, what a noob!" but "that guy has taken the cheap, dangerous path to power because he doesn't have the mind or the discipline to do what i do." In my homebrew I don't think I'd have wizards typically...

I mean, the rules right now are already working with this kind of idea in mind, what with the apprentice levels and all. Getting full range of proficiencies at first level can be a lot though, and illustrate the "suddenly you're an expert at what took a lv1 pc years" problem Obryn mentioned...

What do you mean by cannibalize a rogue level or two? I'm not disagreeing that DM adjudication and retraining might be necessary. Right now though the ability scores require a drastic amount of stat changing/retraining in some cases. Partly this is to keep you from being subpar with a low...