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Yeah that was my fault. Sorry about that. That's not how I meant it, actually.

We don't have that problem in my group, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't come up often, but when it does the people in my group seem to have no problem separating their character's knowledge from their knowledge as a player. All I'm saying then, is that if a new player wanted to join our group...

I want my players to be able to find the warp tubes and get past them. My posture as a DM is not to be at odds with my players. I view my role as one who is working together with my players to tell an interesting story. And every interesting story needs conflict, so I supply conflict in the form...

I've told people what my opinion is on what role-playing means. It's simply my opinion and this is a forum where we discuss ideas. I've never intended to hurt any one's feelings or be mean.

I said we "may disagree." And I meant "we" as in various people in this thread. My comments are not meant to be personal or attacking in nature. Not sure why you're being short with me in that reply.

I'm honestly confused how you concluded that is what I think. I don't think people have to be constrained in how that act out their character. I assume it's my fault for not being clear, but let me give it another shot. This started when Aaron and I were discussing an example, where a rogue is...

Your responses are starting to sound pointed and personal. I put a lot of effort into preparing my games and my players show up every week and have fun. We don't run into the problems that you think we do, and we've had a good group that has enjoyed each other's play style for years. Maybe tone...

I'll speak for myself and reiterate (i've said it a few times) that we may disagree on what role-playing means, but I'd never tell you that you have to play the way I play or that your way to play is wrong or that your way isn't fun. It might not be fun to me, but that's just my tastes. If you...

Well you might be surprised but I think your players would have a fun time in my games as well; I think you have a misconception about how I run a game, and you seem to think I lord it over my players and force them to so something they don't find find. I don't. We all just like to play...

Well, I'm not going to try to argue my points any further because I think we've mostly talked this thing through for now, but I am genuinely curious how you would handle the last example I posited, where only one character was told the secret location of a genie lamp, and a different player...

You keep framing my position as though my "sensibilities" are at odds with my players' preferences. They are not. I'm not sure why you concluded that. We agree on the nature of our role-playing experience and what we want out of it. And I am not always the DM. We are happy with how we play. And...

Because "metagaming" has a pretty clear definition. You may disagree. But I'll post this wikipedia definition, which I think nails it: "In role-playing games, metagaming is an "out of character" action where a player's character makes use of knowledge that the player is aware of but that the...

There are a lot of role-players like me who have thoughts on meta-gaming and frown on it. Just because you and your table-mates don't care about it, doesn't mean other people don't. And I don't force my players to abstain from meta-gaming. We all agree that we don't want to do it, and we try not...

Yeah, but this isn't an MMORPG. There's not really any role-playing in WoW or other MMORPGS. Maybe that's the disconnect here. There are a lot of players who have grown up on MMORPGS and are bringing that concept into their table-top role-playing experience, and so they have no problem with...

Lol. Where are you guys getting this and why do you think I'm some unbending legalist nutcase who draws an extremely hard line in all cases? I already mentioned, several times in this thread, that there are nuances and you can never completely eliminate all forms of metagaming. You are playing a...

I do think that the troll example, and monster traits in general, is not a good example to use, and I think it kind of distracts from the bigger problems of meta-gaming. Although I'm going to get back to monster traits in a bit. Like I said above, if we really wanted to get into it, my view is...

I also don't think I should police the thoughts of my players, generally speaking. I wouldn't waste my time doing that. Now, if they speak to me in meta-speak kinds of ways, like if they say, "can I roll a persuasion check to see if I can convince him to join me," I will ask, "well, what do you...

No not quite. If we really wanted to go deeper into this topic, I would tell you that there are some gray areas. There are places where you can't get away from meta-gaming. You are rolling dice, after all. There are game mechanics you are thinking about. And yes, I do like to give puzzles to...

It can go both ways. I've run into similar things where my group will use leomunds tiny hut all the time. I still would have wild animals try to attack them in the middle of the night even though it's useless, until the animals get bored and go away. Hope that answers that question.

That's why when I asked I said, "I'd have to know more detail about this if I were the DM," and, "Given that my assumptions about your story are true ...". But if you had already said you were tending fire before you even knew a troll was going to attack, I don't have a problem with it. I am...