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Exploder wizard has it right. Here's a pure example of grind in its worst form: Diablo 2 - amazon vs act 5 zombie boss in hell mode. Amazon sets up valkyrie in correct position. Amazon targets zombie with basic damage power... Player wraps an elastic band around the mouse. Player returns after 5...

Strangely I don't find 4E all that simple, nor fun, nor quick. Which probably says a lot about why I don't like it. While there aren't as many rules to worry about, I find they're not as clear as they should be, which kills the simplification. This slows things down, and prevents fun. I'm...

Umm, I'm pretty sure the damage from a paladin's challenge is only supposed to occur once. The mark stays in place, but after the first round of it, it only applies the -2 penalty, not the damage.

****! What a totally awful update for me to catch up on! I've been reading through from page 90 in the previous thread to catch up. And this is where the updates finish?!?! MAN that sucks. ... But must have sucked more for you. I'd say Aravis in my favourite character, but that would be...

Here is the next factor I alluded to. Please forgive the self-indulgence of making this post which is essentially off topic. I work in the information technology industry. I've recently noticed that one of the 'tools' we use applies to DnD and the edition wars. In IT we use a weird and...

I played yesterday. I've been mulling over questions like the one posed in this thread, and during the game I noticed something. I am having fun in the game....BUT I don't enjoy the rules. I don't enjoy the DM. I don't enjoy the story. What I'm getting enjoyment out of is the characters that...

This isn't specific to 4E fans. We all do it, for our favoured edition. I'm as guilty as any other. Yes, that's right. 9th level is effectively a superhuman in 3E. That's intentional. As others have already pointed out, 1-3 is the level range of nearly the entire populace. To give some vague...

Purely in emphasis. I am convinced that 4E emphasizes this 'balance' too much. Indeed, and it would be just as bad for suspension of disbelief as some of the things that I have encountered. For sake of example: the cost of a raise dead ritual knocks me straight out of role play into game play...

No snarkiness detected. Well done :) In point of fact, I have not read any modules. This is a perception I have picked up almost totally without basis. I believe the system encourages modules to be written in a certain way. It is my opinion that that certain way is to encourage the use of level...

I'd argue: (5) While not being unfriendly to 4E, ENWorld is still a community that formed based on the love of 3E, and that love still holds a lot of us. This site was created due to 3E, and it stands to reason that many of the people who frequent it are of the appropriate personality/game...

Or indeed, people might begin to recognize that there are problems with the rules. Problems which (going back to the OP) might have caused a person a change of heart about the rules (for better or worse). While this has gotten way too close to edition war territory (and I am one of the...

While you're right, it doesn't read/feel that way. It reads as: When you're level 1, it's a DC 15 lock. When you're level 5, it's a DC 19 lock. When you're level 10, it's a DC 24 lock. And so on. Yes exactly. I argue that colour should be coming first, and rules last. Rules to fit the colour...

Your storytelling options are not reduced in any way. What you're missing is the point of my post, because I didn't explain very well. I will try again. To me (and of course your opinion may differ), DnD is about telling interesting stories, that I and the players will recount for years to...

Yes I had that problem too. And I haven't even started the campaign in question. I've been piecing it together a little bit at a time over the last couple of years, while being a player rather than a DM. Several hours into looking at the 4E rulebooks, I knew it just wasn't going to work, so I...

Quoted for those who've run off at a tangent. At no point did BotE say that the customization was in choosing what spells you learned. The wizard/mage was the customizable class, when compared with other classes of the same edition. XP for BotE there. This sums up exactly how I feel about the...

As the question is about what we're playing, I've voted 4E. But I'm one of the unwilling converts - I'm playing it most because that's the only regular game I'm in at present. I hope shortly to start a 3.5 game, run on the same interval as the 4E game (monthly). When that starts my vote should...

Or started some world wide peace movement.

[To me] it seems the entire system is set up to 'be cool'. The simple fact we have powers in the first place is an indication of this. Everything is labeled with a flashy name instead of just being a flat bonus. Example: Dragonborn get these racial traits If you discount trying to reach the...

In that context the existence of powers has no direct affect on the possible variety... All I was trying to get across is that at-wills are essentially the same as the old 'full attack', in that they're used so often that they lose their charm. Full attack never pretended to be special in the...

XP for you right there! Tension and excitement often comes from what might happen, not what happens every combat. This is part of why the powers aren't exciting, you see them all the time, so the 'might' part is invalid. If you dropped at wills, and turned encounters into dailies, you'd see a...